Pastel or Cinny?

[ShutUpAndSmile]

So I'm thinking of what to get at hamburg.
I've been aiming towards getting a female cinny and eventually trying to produce pandas.
But I've heard pastels may also do the same thing. And if I get a spider then I can make bees?
So should I just get a pastel?
What else can be made with a cinny? o.O

[Kinra]

If by pandas you mean panda pieds then you will need a black pastel.

I don't know if a super cinny pied is the same as a panda pied (super black pastel pied) though.

Pastels and black pastels are completely different. If panda pieds are a project you want to work on I would suggest picking up a black pastel.

[zeion97]

I'll stray from giving morph advice.. I'm still learning myself.. BUT I will say to get a pastel.. IMO Super Pastels, and Bee's are less expansive and beautiful morphs. That's just my opinion though.. You'll always have people who feel the less expansive aren't the way to go, even for pets.

[zeion97]

If by pandas you mean panda pieds then you will need a black pastel.

I don't know if a super cinny pied is the same as a panda pied (super black pastel pied) though.

Pastels and black pastels are completely different. If panda pieds are a project you want to work on I would suggest picking up a black pastel.

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Super Cinnamon Pied. AKA Panda Pied.

[Kinra]

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Super Cinnamon Pied. AKA Panda Pied.

The super black pastel pied is actually called the panda pied though. I've never seen a super cinny pied, but from what I have seen, cinny pieds tend to have just head pattern where as the black pastel pieds I have seen tend to have body pattern as well. That is why I don't believe they are the same thing. Black pastels and cinnies have slight differences.

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[zeion97]

The super black pastel pied is actually called the panda pied though. I've never seen a super cinny pied, but from what I have seen, cinny pieds tend to have just head pattern where as the black pastel pieds I have seen tend to have body pattern as well. That is why I don't believe they are the same thing. Black pastels and cinnies have slight differences.

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And to this I say... Genetics is so confusing.

[h00blah]

And to this I say... Genetics is so confusing.

When you start getting deeper into the morphs, and you start having 3 or more genes in 1 animal, it gets a little confusing lol. Just slowly count out everything

I've been aiming towards getting a female cinny and eventually trying to produce pandas.
But I've heard pastels may also do the same thing. And if I get a spider then I can make bees?

The panda pied is really 3 genes in 1 snake. It's a super black pastel (black pastel x black pastel), as well as a pied. The pied is recessive however so both parents will also need to have the pied gene in them, whether it's a visual or if it's "heterozygous" or "het" for short.

You can start from scratch, you can invest in a tiny headstart, or you can dish out a bit of cash to have a decent headstart. No matter which route you take, you're going to be waiting at LEAST 2 years to really start getting into the project lol. The bees are only 2 genes (pastel x spider). Pastels and spiders aren't that expensive, however, neither are bees ;p. You can get a great looking pastel female for 130 - 200 and a spider male for about the same price as the pastel female. If you just want a bee, you can spend 400 - 600 for one ^_^

Here's a sweet link!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-BP-Morph-FAQs


EDIT:
Also to the OP, I'm personally not really into the cinny stuff, but the black pastel is one of the coolest dark morphs IMO. Some people think they are the same morph, and some people will say they are different. You can make up your own mind. Another cool website is http://www.worldofballpythons.com/
At the top, there's a "morph list". Click that and go to "The big morph list" and you can actually SEARCH for a particular morph that you want to see combos of! In your case, you can type in "Cinnamon" or "Black Pastel" and look for stuff that stands out to you! When you click it, you'll be brought to a page with a picture of the morph, and on the left side of the page will be the ingredients for that morph and which one is dom/co-dom/recessive! Be careful though because that website can suck hours away from your day >_>.... stupid addicting morphs T.T XD