Het genetic help, please

[Royal Hijinx]

Issue with the clown part in those pairings is the offspring will be possible hets for clown. I am not well versed on clowns, so I am not sure if there is a marker for het clown like on some het pieds.

[Salamander Rising]

Issue with the clown part in those pairings is the offspring will be possible hets for clown. I am not well versed on clowns, so I am not sure if there is a marker for het clown like on some het pieds.

Not that I've [personally] seen or heard of.

My girls just look like snazzy normals with a lot of blushing, flames, faded heads and somewhat unusually high white sides....LOL

I got them from a breeder of Clowns and they were out of 100% het Clown clutches that produced visual Clowns and at least one of them [Leah] has produced Clowns already.

They were sold because the breeder is using the visual Clowns he produced instead, now.

So that brings up the issue of co-dominate pairings that produce normals and visual codoms.

Will the non-visual babies also be het Clowns and if so, what percentage?

I would assume "66% possible" from what I've read so far.

Would it be correct to offer them as "possible het Clowns"?

I've seen oodles of "possible het Clowns", "66% possible Het Clowns", "Possible Pastel Het Clown", etc being offered for sale.

[this is all so confusing!]....LOL

Also, would the light one [Agnes] be considered "banded" or something similar?

Her pattern is very nice and "odd", IMO but as I mentioned, I'm pretty clueless about subtle things....

[paulh]

So that brings up the issue of co-dominate pairings that produce normals and visual codoms.

Will the non-visual babies also be het Clowns and if so, what percentage?

I would assume "66% possible" from what I've read so far.

Would it be correct to offer them as "possible het Clowns"?

I've seen oodles of "possible het Clowns", "66% possible Het Clowns", "Possible Pastel Het Clown", etc being offered for sale.

[this is all so confusing!]....LOL

Genotype clown mutant gene and normal gene = het clown --> normal phenotype.
Genotype normal gene and normal gene = homozygous normal --> normal phenotype.

het clown x het clown -->
1/4 homozygous normal
2/4 normal looking het clown
1/4 clown

The homozygous normal and normal looking het clowns are lumped together as 66% probability het clown.

het clown x homozygous normal -->
1/2 homozygous normal
1/2 normal looking het clown

The homozygous normal and normal looking het clowns are lumped together as 50% probability het clown.

I would class both 66% and 50% probability het clowns as possible het clowns. To be sure what the breeder means, ask him what the parents are.

[Salamander Rising]

Genotype clown mutant gene and normal gene = het clown --> normal phenotype.
Genotype normal gene and normal gene = homozygous normal --> normal phenotype.

het clown x het clown -->
1/4 homozygous normal
2/4 normal looking het clown
1/4 clown

The homozygous normal and normal looking het clowns are lumped together as 66% probability het clown.

het clown x homozygous normal -->
1/2 homozygous normal
1/2 normal looking het clown

The homozygous normal and normal looking het clowns are lumped together as 50% probability het clown.

I would class both 66% and 50% probability het clowns as possible het clowns. To be sure what the breeder means, ask him what the parents are.

Thank you, I will pester him some more about that.

I'm supposed to get their papers from him but haven't gotten to his shop to do so.
[he's really busy of late and hasn't had time to waste on preparing them yet, anyway]

As I understand it, their parents were also 100% hets and they were out of clutches who produced visual Clowns.

Leah also produced visual Clowns last year when bred to a Clown het.

[he kept some of the Clowns as breeders and sold these Hets to me, having no more use for them]

I have no idea what their "grandparents" were, however.

[John1982]

As I understand it, their parents were also 100% hets and they were out of clutches who produced visual Clowns.

Leah also produced visual Clowns last year when bred to a Clown het.

[he kept some of the Clowns as breeders and sold these Hets to me, having no more use for them]

I have no idea what their "grandparents" were, however.

I'm probably reading something wrong but if your snakes are from het x het pairings they're possible hets until proven right?

[snakesRkewl]

I'm probably reading something wrong but if your snakes are from het x het pairings they're possible hets until proven right?

That would be correct except for the female Leah, who produced clowns last season.
het X het makes 66% pos hets

[Salamander Rising]

That would be correct except for the female Leah, who produced clowns last season.
het X het makes 66% pos hets

Since Agnes is also guaranteed 100% Het, she may have produced Clowns as well but not as recently as last year.

He wouldn't lie about it so I'll have to ask him to verify that.