Ballbids.com

[Don]

Yes apparently they have given back the money even to the winners and "gifted" them the snakes. This is from an email they sent out, from one of the people that had money refunded.

Here is my theory. Just a theory, based on my intel......

They might have been contacted and asked if they were aware they were violating a local law, to which of course they would have said "why, no we were unaware" TO which something along the lines of "well in order to avoid legal fees and prosecution you need to refund all money and including the "winners" of your illegal game. Giving the snakes as gifts, IF they even had real winners would be a try and cover your ass move to avoid getting sued by the winners.

That sounds reasonable. It would also explain why there has been no peep from Zach or Avi for more than a day on their facebook page and why their site is still down. Up until they went silent, they were posting frequently. Now, they are just deleting negative posts. They have not explained on their Facebook page why they refunded everyone's money. So, it seems reasonable to assume that someone is making them do it.

The thing we do not know is, if they are just keeping quiet while they obtain the proper licenses and permits, or have gone out of business. I suspect the latter. So, we may not have seen the last of Bidballs. It is pretty obvious that they have someone funding them. Those investors are not going to give up on their money easily.

I do not think those local ordinances are enough to do too much damage to them, other than make them get legit. The thing that will bring them down is if there is any proof of them rigging the bidding, or using shill bidders. So far, that has not been proven, even though there is some fairly suspicious activity. I don't think it will be too far into the future when we see penny auctions go the way of the poker sites - prohibited. No matter how much someone tries to tell you otherwise, penny auctions are simply gambling in another form.

I think everyone invested in Ballbids underestimated the cohesiveness of the reptile community and the backlash that resulted. Now that many of the big breeders have come out against them, I wonder where they will get their auction stock? Then again, they may use shill buyers.

[Egapal]

Never said what they were doing was legal...

My defense is that nothing they're doing is technically wrong.

Do you even see what you are writing. If what they are doing is illegal then by definition its technically wrong. That's what not being legal means.

[Dawn Michelle]

Fed ex will tell anyone about any package they ship,....thats what I found out......thats all i can say for now.....will update soon.

[spitzu]

Fed ex will tell anyone about any package they ship,....thats what I found out......thats all i can say for now.....will update soon.

[jbean7916]

Fed ex will tell anyone about any package they ship,....thats what I found out......thats all i can say for now.....will update soon.

You tease!

sent from my EVO

[Dawn Michelle]

So after a bit of research and close scrutiny and a bit of digging we discover that the "winner" nrvgonestop has posted not only a fake shipping box and label, that was NEVER in the fed ex system nor even registers a logical shipping weight, ( 1lb for a snake+heat packs+packing+box....really?) but no package was ever shipped to the address. You see fed ex has all that info in their system and with a few questions and descriptions from the label, it was confirmed that that box NEVER shipped anywhere and that a printed label was slapped on it to try and dupe this very aware hobby community.

This is just more proof that Zack is nrvgonestop, which means he tried to scam everyone out of their money by winning his own auctions, and repeatedly lying about it Also, I believe, when he realized that he wasn't feeding caca to a bunch of dummies and people were starting to put 2 and 2 together he started giving refunds and covering his ass as fast as he could to avoid criminal charges, WHY he is still trying to prove his legitimacy by using fake accounts and "shipping" empty boxes to himself is beyond me. I will be compiling ALL of the data, proof, emails, screen shots I have collected and be making a blog spot that anyone can reference people to if Zack ever even tries to say humidity in this hobby. Shaun, I and many others decided to make it a point NOT to let this fool ever try this in this community again.

Stay tuned.

I do have pics of the labels but I dont seem to have permission to upload them to my pics on here, I will get links.....

[88Snakes]

Wow...just wow Way to go Dawn Michelle !!

[SMSReptiles]

Also doublechecked the tracking numbers through barcodes by legit delivered packages. They went through fedex system. The one from NRVGONESTOP was not in system. We made sure that we were positive that this package was never shipped.

[Dawn Michelle]

Wow...just wow Way to go Dawn Michelle !!

It has been a team effort!!!

[Dawn Michelle]

THough I never left the idea that he was after I caught him posting as Nrvgonestop and screen shot it, so......this is just further proof of what we I already heavily suspected...

Add all this up with the whole shady business lisence legitimacy issue, the local law they were breaking, the shady actions during the auctions and Zacks own posts, we can deduce with logical reasoning that they are looking to make a quick buck by trying to scam people into believing they can take a short cut into a precious and well developed hobby. Im just so glad that this hobby is full of passionate and legitimate people who want nothing more than to share with others the great joy in being a herper, and not alowing such fraudulent people and ideas to try and taint it with nothing more than greed and scams.