Not stated "het" snakes?

[FalconPunch]

If a morph is offered for sale, and not labeled hetero, is it always a homo?
I'm assuming not, because a homo lesser is a leucistic, right?

For example, a site will have 500 dollar hetero morphs, and 200 dollar (same morph, same year) that do NOT say hetero.

[Kinra]

I'm a little confused about what you are asking.

Typically when we are talking about hets we are referring to recessive morphs such has ghost, albinos, piebalds, clowns, etc...

I have occasionally seen yellow bellies listed as het Ivory, but with the co-dominate morphs we tend to name them (pastel, lesser, enchi, etc...)

With any morph (or even a normal) sex, age, weight and quality factor into the price people are asking. A poor pastel female will sell much cheaper than a very nice pastel female. Male pastels sell cheaper than females usually and larger snakes almost always go for more than hatchlings.

If you could give a more specific example of when you have seen a morph labeled as a het for 500 and the same morph not labeled as a het for 200 we might be able to explain why they were labeled and priced as such.

[RichL]

If a morph is offered for sale, and not labeled hetero, is it always a homo?
I'm assuming not, because a homo lesser is a leucistic, right?

For example, a site will have 500 dollar hetero morphs, and 200 dollar (same morph, same year) that do NOT say hetero.

The cheaper 'same' morph is the just a visual morph. The het morphs, are the visual morphs that also have, or possibly have, a recessive gene as well.

I would suggest reading and checking out Markus Jayne, BP Genetics

[FalconPunch]

Thanks for the link, Rich. I've just recently decided to breed a few things for my own enjoyment. I will definitely need to learn a lot more.

I just re-read the page i was looking at and you are correct. The "het" may be after "pinstripe" but it precedes a second morph of the combo. I apologize

[snakesRkewl]

A heterozygous trait or incomplete dominate trait is either visual as in pastel, mojave, lesser, etc or recessive(hidden) as in het clown, het albino, het axanthic, etc.

For example, a site will have 500 dollar hetero morphs, and 200 dollar (same morph, same year) that do NOT say hetero.

Like this you mean?

Pastel male = $100
Pastel het clown male = $350

[tcutting]

heterozygous can be base pastel, mojave, or any normal co-dom trait where it is visual with just one part of the gene there.

Homozygous is when both parts of the gene is there or in the example of a spider the complete gene is either there or not. example would be clown, hypo, pied.

you can have hets of co-doms and receives. with co-doms you can visually see differences in the snake, receives you cannot.

Co-doms are not refered to as het, but rather just the base name like pastel, mojave, lesser, etc but when they are in their super form(homo) we just call it super.

at least that is MY understanding of it.

[OhhWatALoser]

A heterozygous trait or incomplete dominate trait is either visual as in pastel, mojave, lesser, etc or recessive(hidden) as in het clown, het albino, het axanthic, etc.

heterozygous means the two genes sitting on a locus are not the same. homozygous means they are the same.

incomplete dominant is a genetic classification which means in heterozygous form we see a change and in homozygous form we see a different change. For some reason we call it co-dominant in the hobby, truthfully I can't think of one true co-dominant morph, they're all incomplete dominant.

It's already said above, but yea we pretty much only refer to hets when talking about recessives. That because we cannot visually see the gene present. Co-dominant/Incomplete Dominant and Dominant morphs we can visually see the gene present, so we just call them by name.

[FalconPunch]

so why do hetero morphs cost so much more? Is it usually dominant trait hetero's that cost more? I can't imagine a recessive hetero would be that pricey, since they lack the phenotype.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

What costs so much more is a visual (dominant hetero) morph that's also heterozygous for a different recessive morph.

For example, a "visual" mojave (hetero) that is also heterozygous for axanthic may be more expensive than a visual axanthic. (I say "may" because I'm not up on the market values of those morphs, ha.)

A visual axanthic mojave (homozygous axanthic; heterozygous mojave) would be the most expensive of all of those, but these are not often offered for sale.

A wild-type heterozygous for axanthic would be the cheapest, yes.

Hope that made sense ...

[FalconPunch]

Thanks I get it now!