My BP ate some aspen bedding...

[Skiploder]

I smelled quarantine early on in this thread.

while I can't think of any legitimate reason to cohabitate three entirely distinct species simply because they have vaguely analogous husbandry requirements, I think I'll refrain from further comment.

skiploder, after I add a few womas to my collection, indigos are next up on the list. I hope to bend your ear in a few months if you can spare a few minutes.

p.s. to the OP, independent of anyone's opinion regarding feeding in a separate enclosure, you shouldn't worry about your snake ingesting a little aspen. no cause to worry on that account.

Just shoot me a PM. I have a Power Point presentation I can send you on Drys in general. It covers most of the basics.

I remember the days when adding a pair of womas could set you back about $3K............

[andyroof1979]

I smelled quarantine early on in this thread.

while I can't think of any legitimate reason to cohabitate three entirely distinct species simply because they have vaguely analogous husbandry requirements, I think I'll refrain from further comment.

skiploder, after I add a few womas to my collection, indigos are next up on the list. I hope to bend your ear in a few months if you can spare a few minutes.

p.s. to the OP, independent of anyone's opinion regarding feeding in a separate enclosure, you shouldn't worry about your snake ingesting a little aspen. no cause to worry on that account.

Please don't refrain,

I'd hardly call the care requirements of red tails, balls, and carpets "vaguely analogous", identical is the term i'd use. All 3 require ambient temps of 70-75 cool side, 80-85 warm side, 88-94 hotspot, and 40-60% humidity. What part of that is "vague"?

Is this reccomended for an amature snake keeper? No. Can an exierenced keeper pull it off?
Well that depends on the individual animals sex, personality, and temperment, along with making sure there is adequate space and accomodations for all inhabitants involved.

[Kaorte]

Please don't refrain,

I'd hardly call the care requirements of red tails, balls, and carpets "vaguely analogous", identical is the term i'd use. All 3 require ambient temps of 70-75 cool side, 80-85 warm side, 88-94 hotspot, and 40-60% humidity. What part of that is "vague"?

Is this reccomended for an amature snake keeper? No. Can an exierenced keeper pull it off?
Well that depends on the individual animals sex, personality, and temperment, along with making sure there is adequate space and accomodations for all inhabitants involved.

If you really want to go after the issue of cohabitation, take it somewhere else. Don't hijack someone else's thread, that is just rude.

I have a good feeling that EVERYONE on this site will disagree with your particular cohabitation of species. There is a reason for that.

[andyroof1979]

If you really want to go after the issue of cohabitation, take it somewhere else. Don't hijack someone else's thread, that is just rude.

I have a good feeling that EVERYONE on this site will disagree with your particular cohabitation of species. There is a reason for that.

You know what, kma, I didn't start this, I simply replied to old "uncle skippy" that some snakes are cage aggressive, that is a fact, like it or not. Some are and some aren't.

Then all of a sudden I wear panties and have a chapped ass. It went where it went, and I don't care what everyone here thinks of me or my practices.

[Kaorte]

You know what, kma, I didn't start this, I simply replied to old "uncle skippy" that some snakes are cage aggressive, that is a fact, like it or not. Some are and some aren't.

Then all of a sudden I wear panties and have a chapped ass. It went where it went, and I don't care what everyone here thinks of me or my practices.

You didn't have to reply. You could have just let it go, but you didn't. You kept at it, and anyone who didn't agree with you, you encouraged to keep arguing the subject with you.

I also do not believe in cage aggression. Skiploder is not the only person with this opinion.

[wwmjkd]

Please don't refrain,

I'd hardly call the care requirements of red tails, balls, and carpets "vaguely analogous", identical is the term i'd use. All 3 require ambient temps of 70-75 cool side, 80-85 warm side, 88-94 hotspot, and 40-60% humidity. What part of that is "vague"?

Is this reccomended for an amature snake keeper? No. Can an exierenced keeper pull it off?
Well that depends on the individual animals sex, personality, and temperment, along with making sure there is adequate space and accomodations for all inhabitants involved.

do you notice the differentials in the temperatures you just stated? ignoring for a moment how species from three different areas of the world might interact with each other in a confined space, and to say nothing of what happens should one fall ill, you've cut a pretty wide swath. regardless of the optimal husbandry parameters for each species, all snakes have individual needs and unique requirements. I have a few balls that like the cold side exclusively, some that prefer to coil atop the flexwatt. I have a boa that can't seem to make up his mind on the matter. why risk competition for space when it comes to animals that need to thermoregulate themselves?

I'm not trying to say it can't be done. perhaps you have designed a perfect enclosure that is large enough and has the appropriate temperatures to accommate the whim of each species it houses. however, I doubt it. it appears that you are cohabitating for your own convenience, not for the sake of the the animals. can it be done successfully by an experienced person? probably. but I would probably distrust that person's advice on other matters. it's not up to me to tell anyone how to keep their animals. but you asked for my opinion, and I believe I've made it clear. should the lines be too close to read between, some snakes do well cohabitating, but it's only pet stores that house boas and balls together. responsible collectors and breeders shouldn't.

I have no doubt you'll find less cordial responses if you continue to hammer your point home. either way, best of luck.

my apologies if this post contributes in any way to the quarantine I predicted earlier.

[andyroof1979]

You didn't have to reply. You could have just let it go, but you didn't. You kept at it, and anyone who didn't agree with you, you encouraged to keep arguing the subject with you.

I also do not believe in cage aggression. Skiploder is not the only person with this opinion.

Then you have never owned a cage agressive snake, I bring back my example of a corn I once had, come within 4ft of his enclosure, h'd strike the glass hard enough to dislocate his jaw, get him out, and he was a mellow fellow. What would you call that?

[Kaorte]

Then you have never owned a cage agressive snake, I bring back my example of a corn I once had, come within 4ft of his enclosure, h'd strike the glass hard enough to dislocate his jaw, get him out, and he was a mellow fellow. What would you call that?

Stressed.

[andyroof1979]

Stressed.

ok, stressed. maybe territorial, my point is you didn't even have to be trying to get him out just walk by and wham! he was just nasty as could be while in his cage.

[andyroof1979]

do you notice the differentials in the temperatures you just stated? ignoring for a moment how species from three different areas of the world might interact with each other in a confined space, and to say nothing of what happens should one fall ill, you've cut a pretty wide swath. regardless of the optimal husbandry parameters for each species, all snakes have individual needs and unique requirements. I have a few balls that like the cold side exclusively, some that prefer to coil atop the flexwatt. I have a boa that can't seem to make up his mind on the matter. why risk competition for space when it comes to animals that need to thermoregulate themselves?

I'm not trying to say it can't be done. perhaps you have designed a perfect enclosure that is large enough and has the appropriate temperatures to accommate the whim of each species it houses. however, I doubt it. it appears that you are cohabitating for your own convenience, not for the sake of the the animals. can it be done successfully by an experienced person? probably. but I would probably distrust that person's advice on other matters. it's not up to me to tell anyone how to keep their animals. but you asked for my opinion, and I believe I've made it clear. should the lines be too close to read between, some snakes do well cohabitating, but it's only pet stores that house boas and balls together. responsible collectors and breeders shouldn't.

I have no doubt you'll find less cordial responses if you continue to hammer your point home. either way, best of luck.

my apologies if this post contributes in any way to the quarantine I predicted earlier.

i think everyone here has visions of a 9' boa, a 7' carpet, and a 4' ball in a little cage. the three together make about 7'