Lesser vs. Butter?

[rabernet]

That second lesser is absolutely stunning, Robin. The blushing is phenomenal. I stand reaffirmed that I will just look for the best represented morph, not necessarily a butter or a lesser by name lol.

That's exactly what I did. It did take me almost 2 years to find him - he was my first lesser that I added to my collection (and fingers crossed will be breeding this season). I knew that I wanted a completely reduced pattern, black back lesser. The day his breeder posted hatch pictures of his clutch, I contacted him to find out if it was a male and for sale! LOL

That said, I am currently keeping my eyes open for a butter female, if for no other reason than to see if I can see any differences in my own collection between the two. Although I still maintain they are essential the same thing - just as different lines of pastels are still pastels.

[Emilio]

Lessers and butters are the same morph, through 3 years and many pairings of different animals with my lesser it was easy to come to this conclusion. I can tell you that most breeders know this and just go along with the whole different name thing. The butter name fetches a little more money and also in turn makes it look like a better investment.

[Crawly's Mom]

Ah ha, see, I knew I saw it somewhere. It was not on kingsnake, it was on fauna. But here is the link to the lesser pastel advertised that spawned my whole question about the difference between lessers and butters.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=278419

[rabernet]

Ah ha, see, I knew I saw it somewhere. It was not on kingsnake, it was on fauna. But here is the link to the lesser pastel advertised that spawned my whole question about the difference between lessers and butters.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=278419

Given who the sellers are - it doesn't surprise me.

Make some coffee and read the history of Joe Capone if you're even slightly interested

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=Capone

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=Capone

[Crawly's Mom]

That is a lot to read... everything is from three years ago. Is there anything newer about these breeders? It seems like a lot of the complaints are about pricing and the individual hurting the market by pricing his animals lower than others. :\

[jason_ladouceur]

They can't be the exact same thing. There is almost a 400 price difference between a lesser and a butter. If they were exactly the same then you could theoretically buy a lesser and call it a butter and nobody would be the wiser. Why would there be two names for one morph with two different prices? That is just... crazy. :\

that price difference is a result of marketing plain and simple. IMO they are the same morph. and as far as selling lessers as butters goes you can pretty much bet that it's happened. I really don't know how people can say they affect combos differently when there is such a huge variation in how the base morph looks. you could breed a light butter/lesser to say a low white spider and a dark butter lesser to that same spider and get 2 completely different clutches. for that matter you could probably get 2 different clutches breeding the light lesser/butter to the spider 2 years in a row. for me I wouldn't spend a penny more because an animal is named butter. what I would pay more for is an exceptional representation of the morph.

[rabernet]

That is a lot to read... everything is from three years ago. Is there anything newer about these breeders? It seems like a lot of the complaints are about pricing and the individual hurting the market by pricing his animals lower than others. :\

Yes, but his marketing hasn't changed much. He's literally a used car salesman, so it doesn't surprise me that his prices are that much cheaper than others. At the end of the day, it's up to each person to decide if they wish to support someone like that or not.

I'm not saying to buy or not to buy from them, simply giving some back ground.

[Crawly's Mom]

I think I would rather wait till the show and see the snakes first hand. If there is nothing I see at the show that really takes my breath away, then I will look into maybe purchasing one off the internet, but at that point it really would be finding the absolute best looker to me. I know Constrictors Unlimited has a couple pretty butter pastel males. Never the less I would really like to see the snakes in person, I am a little intimidated by ordering a snake online lol.

[rabernet]

I think I would rather wait till the show and see the snakes first hand. If there is nothing I see at the show that really takes my breath away, then I will look into maybe purchasing one off the internet, but at that point it really would be finding the absolute best looker to me. I know Constrictors Unlimited has a couple pretty butter pastel males. Never the less I would really like to see the snakes in person, I am a little intimidated by ordering a snake online lol.

I can understand that. I will say though, that most of my best looking animals came from finding them online and jumping on them as soon as I saw them.

I've only ever found a few animals at shows that met my high standards of what I was looking for in a particular morph.

Just always research the seller using the BOI on Faunaclassifieds.com to make sure you're purchasing from a reputable seller if you ever go the online route.

Good luck, and we can't wait to see what you get!

[Crawly's Mom]

If I do not see what I want then I will definitely just start looking online. I want a reduced pattern since I plan to breed with spiders in the future, fewer alien heads the better! I also really like the look of your second snake, he seems very light, so I might look for something along those lines, either that or with a lot of blushing! I have something in mind for what I am looking for and if the snake doesn't meet that then I just won't pick it up. I want to have a good program ahead of me.

As for the BOI, sometimes that is tricky. Like the one ad I posted above from fauna. Just hitting the BOI only brings up ClarksGeckos and all of his reviews are good... its only when you search his partner that you get the bad reviews! I still haven't found a way to search on Fauna... but maybe I am just not seeing it? :/