Toffee not a Banana...Mistaken Identity Oops!

[Subdriven]

Just to throw this out there. Wonder what a banana toffee would look like. Lol

[Rawbbeh]

I'm lost...

I read the thread here:

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....tity-oops.html

Can someone explain to me what's going on here and what they are talking about? I'm new to the whole world of BP's and crazy high end expen$$$$ive morphs...

[Jessica Loesch]

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=33245

[Rawbbeh]

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=33245

Guess I need a timeline in laymans terms to understand what all has panned out and has come to this final conclusion.

[meowmeowkazoo]

I'm lost...

I read the thread here:

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....tity-oops.html

Can someone explain to me what's going on here and what they are talking about? I'm new to the whole world of BP's and crazy high end expen$$$$ive morphs...

From how I understand it, Craig from Urban Reptiles was the first person to own the Toffee, which was an import. He bred it and sold off several "het Toffee" snakes to other people.

He knew that the Toffee was compatible with the Albino gene, and did not share this information with the people who were buying the "het Toffee" snakes from him.

People discovered his deception and were very unhappy. They had spent tens of thousands of dollars on animals that were not pure Toffee, or even pure Toffee hets.

Now these other breeders that bought animals from Craig at Urban Reptiles might sell snakes that they absolutely believe are het for Toffee, but are actually het for Albino. Then they will have very unhappy customers, and it will damage their own reputations.

There does not seem to be any logic as to why Craig would post pictures of Toffee snakes and name them as "Bananas" in the file name. People have speculated that because he destroyed his own reputation due to the "Toffino" incident, he is trying to do harm to the Banana project out of spite.

The reason he would do this is because Bananas and Toffees are very similar looking animals, but because he was the original owner of the imported Toffee, he appears to have had negative feelings towards the owners of the Banana project.

[William McCall]

From how I understand it, Craig from Urban Reptiles was the first person to own the Toffee, which was an import. He bred it and sold off several "het Toffee" snakes to other people.

He knew that the Toffee was compatible with the Albino gene, and did not share this information with the people who were buying the "het Toffee" snakes from him.

People discovered his deception and were very unhappy. They had spent tens of thousands of dollars on animals that were not pure Toffee, or even pure Toffee hets.

Now these other breeders that bought animals from Craig at Urban Reptiles might sell snakes that they absolutely believe are het for Toffee, but are actually het for Albino. Then they will have very unhappy customers, and it will damage their own reputations.

There does not seem to be any logic as to why Craig would post pictures of Toffee snakes and name them as "Bananas" in the file name. People have speculated that because he destroyed his own reputation due to the "Toffino" incident, he is trying to do harm to the Banana project out of spite.

The reason he would do this is because Bananas and Toffees are very similar looking animals, but because he was the original owner of the imported Toffee, he appears to have had negative feelings towards the owners of the Banana project.

That pretty much sums it up, but it must be added that some of the bigger players in the banana project also invested heavily in the Toffee project and were very vocal about their displeasure at Craig for knowingly witholding the albino compatibility from them while still taking 10's of thousands of dollars.

So now that he has tainted his own project because of his lack of ethics he is now trying to sling mud on other peoples projects.

[python_addict]

wow so harsh! geez doesnt anyone think it could have been a mistake?? unless there is a confession i wouldnt tell the world your petty assumptions

[Jessica Loesch]

wow so harsh! geez doesnt anyone think it could have been a mistake?? unless there is a confession i wouldnt tell the world your petty assumptions

ACTUALLY, these are not petty assumptions. This is just fact of what happened.

[python_addict]

was there a confession does anyone actually have hard evidence of this? yeah I still think it could have been an honest mistake seriously this kind of ticks me off I have to stay off this thread wait till someone else on here screws up not knowing something is compatible with another recessive they are hidden genes he cant look at it and tell exactly what is in it wow yeah I really have to stay off here

[William McCall]

was there a confession does anyone actually have hard evidence of this? yeah I still think it could have been an honest mistake seriously this kind of ticks me off I have to stay off this thread wait till someone else on here screws up not knowing something is compatible with another recessive they are hidden genes he cant look at it and tell exactly what is in it wow yeah I really have to stay off here

He publicly admitted that he was aware of the compatibility a full year before it was made public.

In that year he was selling snakes to people and not making them aware of the fact.