Super ball

[Mft62485]

Personally I would like to have a Superball. I would not breed it, but I know that by my buying it, whomever I got it from would continue to breed some. I do understand why some are against it, I'm just not.

[cmack91]

Personally I would like to have a Superball. I would not breed it, but I know that by my buying it, whomever I got it from would continue to breed some. I do understand why some are against it, I'm just not.

thats the same boat im in, i wouldnt do it, but im not really against them. and since there really arent alot of hybrid breeders, it wont matter if people are buying them, i dont believe theyre gonna invade the market, you will always be able to find 100% BP's, or any snake for that matter

[AaronP]

Please. Pastel Ball Pythons and Spider Ball Pythons are both Ball Pythons.... Kind of like there are human beings of different races. Differnet colors but still all 100% human beings.

Having owned both Bloods and Ball Pythons, I can tell you that they are VERY different animals.... More like Humans and Gorillas. Would it be ok for human beings to breed with Gorillas?

Nevermind... don't want your answer to that.

Regardless of your opinion this analogy is simply wrong. Genetically and biologically speaking Blood Pythons and Ball Pythons are more like a Caucasian and an African together. Or a African and a Japanese person.

I really don't understand the majority of the reasons why people dislike Hybrids. Especially when you consider how many people here have dogs, and how many of those are most likely mutts.

[Egapal]

Regardless of your opinion this analogy is simply wrong. Genetically and biologically speaking Blood Pythons and Ball Pythons are more like a Caucasian and an African together. Or a African and a Japanese person.

I really don't understand the majority of the reasons why people dislike Hybrids. Especially when you consider how many people here have dogs, and how many of those are most likely mutts.

AaronP this is not an opinion. You are the one asserting opinion as fact with nothing to back it up.

Blood Pythong Genus: Python, Species: Curtus
Royal Python (aka Ball Python) Genus: Python, Species: Regius

All humans are Genus: Homo, Species: sapiens
All dogs are Genus: Canis, Species: Lupus

I understand that you want to classify animals according to how much they look like other animals but this is simply wrong.

[shawn388]

if mother nature wanted hybrids then she would have made them im not a fan of them myself i keep both bloods and balls i think it takes away from the animals when you start crossing differnt breeds together but this is just my thoughts on this subject

[Egapal]

if mother nature wanted hybrids then she would have made them im not a fan of them myself i keep both bloods and balls i think it takes away from the animals when you start crossing differnt breeds together but this is just my thoughts on this subject

I reject your premise and agree with your conclusion. Mother nature does not "want" anything. That same argument could be made to argue against mules, dogs, domestic cattle and fowl, and even buildings and cars.

[Pythonchick89]

That's the argument I agree with. The hypocrisy of it. Your comparison of horses and donkeys creating mules is a great one. They are a genetically different species but genetically compatible. Mules are not fertile, however, some of these hybrid snakes are.

Mules in fact, are so different from horses that they not only have a different gait when they walk, but they are able to see where they are putting all 4 feet as they walk. Horses do not have this ability. Mules get this ability from donkeys. This is why they use mules for the trail tours down into the grand canyon. A horse would likely trip or slip off the edge of those narrow rock wall trails going down or coming up because they can not see where they are putting all 4 of their feet.

Why is it we are ok with hybridizing some animals but not others? It seems like if it's something that's been done for the last 50-100 years then sure, it's ok. It's something we all grew up with, but god forbid someone mixes anything new.

Dogs are a great one too. Where did they come from in the first place?

I agree that all species should be preserved. Especially the locale's. We have some that are even believed to be fully extinct in the wild now and are only existent in the pet trade. The Sabogae boa (BCS) for instance. I hate seeing those being bred with anything that isn't also a pure BCS because there are so few left on the planet.

When it comes to mixing snake species, and keep in mind that even in the USA, there is plenty of natural mixing of colubrids going on in the wild and locales are just disappearing by their own means, but mixing things like pythons that aren't found in the same areas, should be done with intelligence and should be properly represented if selling them.

I don't see the harm if it isn't endangering a species or it isn't being passed off as something it isn't.

Thank you! Agree 1000% !!

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[Pythonfriend]

I see one issue with hybrids, and that is lack of knowledge.


Mitochondrial DNA is crucial in understanding and working with hybrids, the OP did not tell us what mitochondrial DNA his hybrids have, and nooe cared to ask in all the 57 replies.

Also, to get fertile hybrids rather than infertile ones, the chromosome count must match and the two original species need to be rather closely related.

if you breed a male carpet python to a female ball python, mitochondrial DNA will be 50% carpet 50% ball, while mitochondrial DNA will be 100% ball python. Mitochondrial DNA never gets redistributed and always goes unchanged from mother to offspring.

You can, if you really screw up, produce a snake that has 93.75% ball python chromosomal DNA and only 6.25% carpet python chromosomal DNA, but if you screw up the point about mitochondrial DNA your hybrid could still have 100% carpet python mitochondrial DNA. And people dont even label their hybrids properly, they dont tell you what mitochondrial DNA it carries.


so yes, as these change owners and others breed them, things are bound to get confusing. If anything, a hybrid project requires better and more detailed recordkeeping, and more intensive tracking of genetic issues. And i dont see it.

If its tracked properly and it is prevented from descending into chaos and confusion about the genetics i would not see a problem with hybrid projects. But it seems like people just produce them, and then sell their F1 hybrid hatchlings to anyone, and dont even point out the issues with mitochondrial DNA. I dont really like that.