baby spider ball keeps shaking its head this normall?

[Strick]

SL I hope you dont have any children that are born with a birth defect of some sort...

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Those that think they have spiders with no wobbles either don't know how to identify it, or by chance just haven't seen it YET. There isn't a spider in existence that has absolutely no wobble.

Someone who looks down on wobbling so bad that they kill babies that do it should not be allowed to breed anything spider. It is a natural trait of the morph.

[bigmike]

Those that think they have spiders with no wobbles either don't know how to identify it, or by chance just haven't seen it YET. There isn't a spider in existence that has absolutely no wobble.

Someone who looks down on wobbling so bad that they kill babies that do it should not be allowed to breed anything spider. It is a natural trait of the morph.

I am with you on this I have had two spider balls one male with a decent wobble who would strike a miss at times and do a nice shake before the strike an obvious wobbler but a great snake other wise. The second is a female who if you don't pay attention to someone would say she has no wobble. I have seen her wobble though it's ever so slight. It's only right before she actually strikes at her rat/mouse, where she slightly tilts her head very slight to the right. She strikes perfectly though and I would have never noticed if I didn't feed her outside of her cage everytime. Just from what I gather in my short time is ever spider has it just some way less noticable than others. Why someone who throw one in the freezer is beyond me spiders are usually good eaters and if they have trouble striking live prey froozen thawed can be offered. Shoot just give them to someone willing to work with them even.

[Raptor]

He is wrong about is putting down a wobbler. Even though he doesn't want to breed them, they would make a fantastic pet for someone. Hell, I would take them in simply because I love snakes.

Absolutely this. I love spiders. I love all the beautiful morphs they can make. If someone was going to get rid of a spider due to a severe case of wobble, I'd pounce on that faster than a cornsnake on a mouse. I don't care if it wobbles. Sure. It might never get bred, but that wouldn't matter to me. I'd be quite content to keep it as a pet.

Most of my animals are misfits anyway, so it wouldn't bother me in any shape or form.

[PweEzy]

@rich. I have had to put 2 spiders down, 1 bee , and 6 caramels, in my life. The bee and the spiders were really bad. They were produced 2 years apart from eachother from the same male to different females. I sold the male off and didnt have the issue again. The caramels were over a 5 year period and it was the result of that horrible tail kink issue

So technically you just added another "bad breeder" to the market, by what you classify these spiders as. Seems a little counter intuitive to your own argument. As far as the earlier post, you said that this wobble is due to inbreeding. Because it is pretty well known that spider x spider has not been very successful, how can you verify that spiders are heavily inbred? Don't criticize people for"not reading what you type" before reading it yourself bud.

[snake lab]

Are you people serious? Lol. @ cavanaugh, it is not a trait. A neuroligical disorder is not the trait of a spider. It is a defect and not all of them have it. Are you serious. Do you even know who imported the original animal? Do you know the history behind how it was mass produced? This is the problem with know it alls with no experience that just want to start putting someone down cause they dont like what that person has to say. Do your homework. Secondly are you really telling me i am a bad breeder for putting an animal down that has a defect that is stopping it from eating and going to cause a slow agonizing death. You people who would allow an animal to suffer like this are the bad owners. What happens to a puppy born with the same neurological disorder? It would be put down. Think about it. Do you think i like to put em down? It affects my pocket when i cant sell an animal and have to put it down. You guys really need to take the blinders off. It is not a cruelty issue rather a responsibillity issue to ensure an animal doesnt suffer.

[snake lab]

So technically you just added another "bad breeder" to the market, by what you classify these spiders as. Seems a little counter intuitive to your own argument. As far as the earlier post, you said that this wobble is due to inbreeding. Because it is pretty well known that spider x spider has not been very successful, how can you verify that spiders are heavily inbred? Don't criticize people for"not reading what you type" before reading it yourself bud.

Do your homework bud. I do know where and when the first spider was imported from and history behind the mass breeding frenzy that followed. I bought one of the first ever availible spider males. I do know what im talking about. You obviouslly do not so dont judge me when you have no idea what you are talking about

[snake lab]

absolutely this. I love spiders. I love all the beautiful morphs they can make. If someone was going to get rid of a spider due to a severe case of wobble, i'd pounce on that faster than a cornsnake on a mouse. I don't care if it wobbles. Sure. It might never get bred, but that wouldn't matter to me. I'd be quite content to keep it as a pet.

Most of my animals are misfits anyway, so it wouldn't bother me in any shape or form.

i never said i put a spider down cause of a wobble. I said i put the animal down because it was a severe case and wouldn and couldnt eat. I have a vet that comes to my facility ever 2 weeks. Does any of you know it all judge and jurrors do the same?

[PitOnTheProwl]

You people who would allow an animal to suffer like this are the bad owners. What happens to a puppy born with the same neurological disorder? It would be put down. Think about it. Do you think i like to put em down?

Pity we can put animals down so easily BUT I am cold hearted and ruthless when I say the same things about human offspring

[meowmeowkazoo]

Well I'm out. This is one of those discussions that's going nowhere fast.

No hard feelings snake lab, and I would love to be proven wrong if you have any non-wobbler babies for sale.