baby spider ball keeps shaking its head this normall?

[TheAnalogue]

my spider male will show zero signs of wobble for weeks and then he will have what I call a spin cycle day lol. I get the snakes that have it or don't but i just can't understand mine

[MidSouthMorphs]

Those severe cases go to the freezer

I'm not down with that at all, so you put down snakes that were never given a chance? They still could have been fantastic breeders. You say you love the animals but it is strictly business to you? Alot of times those 2 things don't mesh. I consider breeding and selling them as a hobby still to this day because I simply love the animals, I could spend all day with my snakes and do sometimes when i'm not working or training. To clarify, to breeders atleast in my experience have never really considered it as strictly business. And in alot of cases you can sense their love of the snakes when they talk and in their messages here.

[Herpking]

I have had my 2009 male now for 5 1/2 months never seen any signs out of him, I have flipped him he turns himself fine but I do not know he could have had it when he was younger. I am gonna attempt to breed him this season if I have any spider babies I will give them all a chance.. I am not going against snake lab I am glad he is trying to fix the wobble. for those who say ALL Spiders have it I must say from my experience ( not to much but a bit) I would say that is false. Even when he was under the stress of a new home he never showed signs.

[Homegrownscales]

I absolutely love my spiders and combo spiders. Not a one has a noticeable wobble. I specifically look for non wobblers when I buy anything spider. Why? Not because I think they wont produce wobblers. Just because I think I have less of a chance. I've hatched out spider stuff 3 years in a row. And I haven't gotten a noticeable wobble yet. Thank God. Could it happen sure... I'm not one to argue about something I havent had many years of experience doing. So I will continue to only buy non wobblers and only breed non wobblers. I would agree that I specifically wont ever breed a noticeably wobbling animal. That's just my opinion. I wouldnt put a bad wobbler or wobbler down in general. That's just not the person I am. I beleive In giving everything a chance. If it can live a funtional life I thjnk it deserves the chance. I would rather Give the animal away for free as a strictly pet. I think doing that for the right person/home it could spark The addiction. We need more people in this hobby  Anyways just wanted to get my .03c in.


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[benwallage9]

I'm a person new to ball pythons (only having them for 2 years) and this forum. From what I have seen, I have to say the amount of jr high playground b/s that goes on this site is absolutely shocking.

This isn't the first posting i've seen where a person is gained up on by 3 or 4 different people. I myself have posted on this site and found myself being backed into a corner because people simply don't want to listen to want I'm saying, don't actually read what I say, or don't want to believe what I'm saying.

I'm not saying snake lab is right or wrong, or anyone else is right or wrong. I do however see where he is coming from when he says he is going to be attacked for his statements, you can see it coming as soon as you hit the submit reply button.

That being said this site is for education and sharing experiences, not to play a game of who's wrongest and who's rightest. This seems to happen far to often and from what i've seen it's always the same people. It makes people new to this site (including myself) think twice about whether or not they want to be apart of this community.

Further more I will always listen to the person that was the experience to back up what they are saying, and don't find a person repeating what they thought they read on google to be a truly reliable source. The main reason people ask questions on this site is to get peoples personally suggestions based on their personally experiences. If they wanted the google answer they'd search it on their own.

[crazy ball]

thanks every one really helps alot i am going to breed her later on but as a learning curve as i want to start breeding ball pythons so sounds like she will be perfect to learn with and keep the babies


thanks again

[MidSouthMorphs]

I'm a person new to ball pythons (only having them for 2 years) and this forum. From what I have seen, I have to say the amount of jr high playground b/s that goes on this site is absolutely shocking.

This isn't the first posting i've seen where a person is gained up on by 3 or 4 different people. I myself have posted on this site and found myself being backed into a corner because people simply don't want to listen to want I'm saying, don't actually read what I say, or don't want to believe what I'm saying.

I'm not saying snake lab is right or wrong, or anyone else is right or wrong. I do however see where he is coming from when he says he is going to be attacked for his statements, you can see it coming as soon as you hit the submit reply button.

That being said this site is for education and sharing experiences, not to play a game of who's wrongest and who's rightest. This seems to happen far to often and from what i've seen it's always the same people. It makes people new to this site (including myself) think twice about whether or not they want to be apart of this community.

Further more I will always listen to the person that was the experience to back up what they are saying, and don't find a person repeating what they thought they read on google to be a truly reliable source. The main reason people ask questions on this site is to get peoples personally suggestions based on their personally experiences. If they wanted the google answer they'd search it on their own.

He is wrong about is putting down a wobbler. Even though he doesn't want to breed them, they would make a fantastic pet for someone. Hell, I would take them in simply because I love snakes.

[MidSouthMorphs]

Oh, and their is no Junior High BS going on. If that were the case, the MODs would put a stop to it. I think that it may come across like that to some when the majority disagrees, or some just don't have thick skin. Could be either or none.

[snake lab]

Midsouth, are you kidding me right now? If i hadnt put those animals down then they would have suffered and died anyways. Get over it. I swear nomatter what i write on this site i get argued with and its always by the same core group of people. Its actually quite amusing cause i can see who knows what they are talking about and who hasnt got a clue. Look there are instances where as a breeder of any animal you have to think about the well being of the animal. I am not gonna let an animal suffer. I have vet who comes by every 2 weeks to by rodents for his animals and he helps me making those choices when they need to be made.

[MidSouthMorphs]

I have seen extreme wobblers make great pets, some of the worst I have seen are pets/ Mainly because nobody uses them for breeding. And how do you know they were suffering? Their is never any indication of that even in extreme cases, that they are in any pain. They function fine. And having putting down wobblers and "it's strctly a business" in the same paragraph seems to rub the wrong way. I am not trying to fuel the fire but I am only expressing my opinion.

And, I don't play the "I know more than you" game. And I think it is safe to say that not many members here do either.