After reading this thread I personally am ecstatic that My little guy and I persevered, and learned to feed/eat f/t mice. I dont like the idea of him getting hurt unnecessarily and I dont like the idea of intentionally hurting the mouse or putting it through any more stress than it should have to go through. But I am glad that you figured out what to do about that rat bit = D I may not like the idea of live feed, but hey some snakes just dont want it any other way apparently.