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    And, I forgot to mention.... in the past three years, in my area alone, all three other rat breeders have gone under. One of my friends had been breeding rodents for decades, and he finally pulled out as well. You would think my sales have skyrocketed since then... guess again...
    A couple more have started and failed in that time as well.
    Times are not easy for the animal industry, or any industry for that matter...
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    Re: Summer market gone loco?

    Everyone is suffering from this market but it by no means justifies a $20 fawn rat. It's complete crap and more damaging to the market rather than helping. This economy forces us to raise our prices to stay in business, that is common sense. I am not complaining at $5-10 as it needs to happen. Pet quality rats are worth the extra buck too. If they truly are of some quality. Stores like Petsmart cannot thrive without $12-14 per rat. There isn't a way around it. Doing well in the animal industry is a crack and a half. Idiots who raise prices excessively and dupe the uneducated ruin it for all of us. Buyers, sellers, breeders and pet owners alike. I cannot fix it but it does leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

    My sympathy is more than enough for whom are struggling but I have none for the individuals who sabotage our market. I have been through shelters, foster care and been homeless several times. Still, I cherish the breeders who can maintain integrity. Or in some cases honesty. Our hopes are high for this project to become public by the end of this year. Even if we fail I will take pride in our attempt to spread healthier rats whether pet or feeder. Sound feeders = sound reptiles/pets.

    PS: I apologize if I offend anyone. That is not my intention, this is just my spiel.
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    You don't offend me. I aplaud you...

    The problem is, and will continue to be, 75% of the people out there go to the chain stores. They complain about the prices, but continue to shop Petco. There is nothing wrong with people shopping at chain stores, but, more people need to stand up/out like yourself. I started a pet store for the soul purpose of what you are talking about... Now, I'm wishing I hadn't.
    It really is a tough market, and in this economy, it's next to impossible to compete with Petsmart or Petco. Forget the high prices, people shop for convenience.
    And, it's just easier to go to Walmart and shop for everything under one roof. If I counted the number of customers who come in to my store for the hamster or the bird, but they just bought everything else at Walmart... Or, even had the nerve to ask me to put together a cage they just bought at Walmart... Even that $2 bottle of fish food, would help the local guy...
    Standing down off the soapbox now.

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    I've been thinking a lot about this, and considering I only have 2 snakes, possibly 4 in a couple months if I get the ok to buy a couple more snakes (gotta ask the landlord, he's usually really cool about it but I don't count my chickens before they hatch, haha). I've been doing bulk F/T online for a while, but there's a local reptile shop that I really like and though the feeders are more expensive, I -really- want to support them. Especially since they're the only reptile (and fish) specialty shop within 80 miles I feel like I want to do what I can to help them from going under

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    Re: Summer market gone loco?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasbus View Post
    You don't offend me. I aplaud you...

    The problem is, and will continue to be, 75% of the people out there go to the chain stores. They complain about the prices, but continue to shop Petco. There is nothing wrong with people shopping at chain stores, but, more people need to stand up/out like yourself. I started a pet store for the soul purpose of what you are talking about... Now, I'm wishing I hadn't.
    It really is a tough market, and in this economy, it's next to impossible to compete with Petsmart or Petco. Forget the high prices, people shop for convenience.
    And, it's just easier to go to Walmart and shop for everything under one roof. If I counted the number of customers who come in to my store for the hamster or the bird, but they just bought everything else at Walmart... Or, even had the nerve to ask me to put together a cage they just bought at Walmart... Even that $2 bottle of fish food, would help the local guy...
    Standing down off the soapbox now.
    You speak the truth...sadly. I go out of my way to visit stores I like and also go out of my way to avoid stores I don't. Locals should work together to build up this market and garner more support but I doubt it will happen. Until then we'll have failing store after failing store. Most of the reptile stores that are still open ended up selling high priced puppies or sugar gliders.

    I don't know if your shop is still going but hell if it is I wish you luck.

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    Re: Summer market gone loco?

    Quote Originally Posted by bokuza View Post
    You speak the truth...sadly. I go out of my way to visit stores I like and also go out of my way to avoid stores I don't. Locals should work together to build up this market and garner more support but I doubt it will happen. Until then we'll have failing store after failing store. Most of the reptile stores that are still open ended up selling high priced puppies or sugar gliders.

    I don't know if your shop is still going but hell if it is I wish you luck.
    Oh yeah, we're still going. But, it gets tougher each year.
    We don't "blame" people for going to chain stores. Like I said, most people shop for convenience, and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the ones that "know" what they are doing, and will complain about how expensive our prices are, etc... When in all actuality, we're the same or, in Petco/Petsmart case, we're usually cheaper, and come in just to try to get us to go as cheap as possible over a $1. UGHH.

    Support your local stores! They are your neighbors! And they are fighting giants!
    thanks for listening to my rants.

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    Try going to a rat show where the asking price for hairless/dumbo/double red can be $60 or worse.

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    Re: Summer market gone loco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    Try going to a rat show where the asking price for hairless/dumbo/double red can be $60 or worse.
    Yea but thats on a different level to feeders. your getting quality rats with full genetic disclosure.

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    Sometimes.
    You'd be surprised what people would pay, for a feeder in show quality clothing.

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    Re: Summer market gone loco?

    Quote Originally Posted by rhasputin View Post
    sometimes.
    You'd be surprised what people would pay, for a feeder in show quality clothing.
    amen!

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