what size tank can i keep a savahna monitor

[MMReptiles]

^ You're a real winner.

From my short time here, and from what I understand, this forum is full of helpful, kind people. You could have told this fellow the reasons why a Savannah Monitor is hard to take care of and why tanks are not appropriate for these animals, instead of attacking his spelling mistakes, and accusing him of either being young, or a possible foreign/uneducated person.

This forum seems to pride itself on its non-discriminatory (age, ethnicity) nature.

Maybe you haven't been around long enough to figure this out..

If someone can't even bother to word a simple sentence correctly, or spell the animal they are asking about properly- I am NOT going to waste a bunch of my time explaining proper monitor husbandry to them.

Enough monitors are kept by people who should never have them, only people with a serious interest in these animals and people who can PROPERLY do the research on them should own them. Period.

Again, I could care less if you feel I'm discriminating against him. His feelings don't mean squat to me; however, keeping another sav out of a terrible environment does.

[lk_holla]

Totaly agree, if more people thought of the animal insted of the OP's feelings,
the animals will be better off.
Sometimes you have to be blunt and direct, in this world of extream stubborness.

I agree that sometimes bluntness is necessary to get the message through; but i know if I'm told I'm doing or thinking something incorrectly and told so in an offensive way that I am doing something wrong, I'm less likely to take the message to heart and more likely to say 'screw you' and do it wrong anyways. Theres a way to be blunt, direct and not offensive at the same time.

But thats besides the point; OP- like everyone on here has said already, please make sure to do your research before you get another animal. In the time I've been lurking this forum I've seen so many horror stories about improperly kept savannahs, and the amount of work it takes for them to be cared for properly. They are NOT like BPs when it comes to maintenance.

[Skiploder]

No, however it is another option for what this guy may possibly be. If you are foreign and didn't bother to google to figure out how to correctly spell the basic name of the animal- you are unedcuated.


Could care less if you are impressed. I'm here for the monitors sake, not the OP nor yours.

You spelled "uneducated" wrong.

Children, the word for today is "irony".

[Skiploder]

Totaly agree, if more people thought of the animal insted of the OP's feelings,
the animals will be better off.
Sometimes you have to be blunt and direct, in this world of extream stubborness.

As part of a group (including Allergenic, Slayer and Mumps) who have been labelled as "harsh" on this forum, I agree with using bluntness to get a point across.

It's just a fact of forum life that people:

(1) don't use the search function
(2) shop opinions instead of research

As someone who has lost my e-temper here a time or two - especially when it comes to varanids - I get the frustration that comes with seeing the same infuriating questions posted again and again. Especially when it takes less time to run a little bit of research than to pose the same question.

However, there is a fine line between smacking someone in the noggin with a hard dose of reality and coming off as a xenophobic boob.

[wolfy-hound]

There is no reason to be rude when replying to a post. If it's too much trouble for you to reply with proper husbandry, then don't reply. The OP posted asking for husbandry advice, rather than posting "Hey I got this monitor and it won't eat in the 10G tank.." Shouldn't that prior planning be rewarded with information rather than snarky remarks?

If he's foreign, then the misspellings can be the result of a translation program. It could be that he has spelling issues, but is brilliant about keeping pets. Isn't it better to educate someone rather than insult them and make them leave?

If you educate as to the needs of the animal, then he's more likely to think out what he needs for an animal. If you just insult and act rude, the more likely scenario is that he leaves with a bad feeling for the site, gets NO education as to how to care for the animal and gets one anyway, leading to it getting sick/dying.

Yes, many people go get a "cool" lizard without any prior planning and keep it in lousy conditions... yet THIS one came here to ask for advice first. Don't pre-judge people just because you have superior knowledge.

So tell everyone again how you're more about the animal rather than just about telling off anyone you don't deign "smart enough" to care for a monitor?

[snakeman13]

As part of a group (including Allergenic, Slayer and Mumps) who have been labelled as "harsh" on this forum, I agree with using bluntness to get a point across.

It's just a fact of forum life that people:

(1) don't use the search function
(2) shop opinions instead of research

As someone who has lost my e-temper here a time or two - especially when it comes to varanids - I get the frustration that comes with seeing the same infuriating questions posted again and again. Especially when it takes less time to run a little bit of research than to pose the same question.

However, there is a fine line between smacking someone in the noggin with a hard dose of reality and coming off as a xenophobic boob.

The point I am trying very hard, as nicely as possible to get across is,
if they are to lazy or not informed enough to do a basic search for the needed information, then how the hell are they going to go to the lenghs to provide for the animal.
To lazy to search, bad situation for the animal.

[wolfy-hound]

The point I am trying very hard, as nicely as possible to get across is,
if they are to lazy or not informed enough to do a basic search for the needed information, then how the hell are they going to go to the lenghs to provide for the animal.
To lazy to search, bad situation for the animal.

Perhaps they DID search and found conflicting info(like across the whole web) so they thought to come ask those that keep the animals... like at a website that educates people in what the best way to keep certain species is?

If you look on the web, you can find stuff telling you to keep your ball python in a 10g tank, to letting a nile monitor free roam a room in your house.

[CatandDiallo]

Perhaps they DID search and found conflicting info(like across the whole web) so they thought to come ask those that keep the animals... like at a website that educates people in what the best way to keep certain species is?

If you look on the web, you can find stuff telling you to keep your ball python in a 10g tank, to letting a nile monitor free roam a room in your house.

Right?

I was just extremely put off by this person's answer, when mostly everyone I've come across here is extremely kind and helpful.

I guess I also took personal offence when the majority of my family is "foreign", and grouping foreign people with uneducated people is highly offensive to me. They are some of the most educated and hard-working people I know. Among them are Chiropractors, Aerospace engineers, Professors and otherwise.
It just upsets me that many people view foreign people as stupid. Just because English isn't their first language, doesn't mean that they are uneducated.

/rant.

Anyways, I was also going to mention that I would rather ask people on a forum that have experience with these kinds of animals, rather than doing google searches and just looking at caresheets that are essentially copies of each other.
This is one of the best places that you can go to, to find information on reptiles and invertebrates, and treating people with hostility and aggressiveness is only going to drive people away from this community.

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[MMReptiles]

You spelled "uneducated" wrong.

Children, the word for today is "irony".

Darn, I had a typo while using my cellphone while hiking and sitting under a tree waiting for rain. That's very comparable to not being able to do a google search.

There is no reason to be rude when replying to a post. If it's too much trouble for you to reply with proper husbandry, then don't reply. The OP posted asking for husbandry advice, rather than posting "Hey I got this monitor and it won't eat in the 10G tank.." Shouldn't that prior planning be rewarded with information rather than snarky remarks?

If I don't reply, some random kid with his sav will say "I use a 40g breeder for my sav and he's doing great at 13 months old!". This is all too common, if everyone with the harsh attitude didn't post- we'd see even more sick varanids than we do now. He asked for husbandry advice that is readily available and couldn't manage to spell "savannah" correctly- something that google will fix and do the entire search for you.

If he's foreign, then the misspellings can be the result of a translation program. It could be that he has spelling issues, but is brilliant about keeping pets. Isn't it better to educate someone rather than insult them and make them leave?

No translation program butchers a basic word like that. Most foreign keepers I've talked to at least manage to look up the scientific name so that they may relay their message. Again, if you can't do a basic search you shouldn't own a monitor. This isn't like a ball python (entry level reptile), this is a varanid, some of the complex reptiles to take care of money can by.

If you educate as to the needs of the animal, then he's more likely to think out what he needs for an animal. If you just insult and act rude, the more likely scenario is that he leaves with a bad feeling for the site, gets NO education as to how to care for the animal and gets one anyway, leading to it getting sick/dying.

Too lazy to search too lazy to keep the monitor. I'd rather he gets it and keeps it subpar than takes half of our information and builds a big enclosure then proceeds to handle it often and it dies of stress. I'd rather the thing dies early rather than living a life of misery under some delusional nutjob who didn't bother to do his share of the research himself.

Yes, many people go get a "cool" lizard without any prior planning and keep it in lousy conditions... yet THIS one came here to ask for advice first. Don't pre-judge people just because you have superior knowledge.
So tell everyone again how you're more about the animal rather than just about telling off anyone you don't deign "smart enough" to care for a monitor?

He came asking for advice? He came asking for us to hand-hold him on how to care for a monitor. He's not asking "what sort of watt bulb to you recommend to hit proper basking temps". There is a HUGE difference in asking for advice, and asking for a babysitter.

Perhaps they DID search and found conflicting info(like across the whole web) so they thought to come ask those that keep the animals... like at a website that educates people in what the best way to keep certain species is?

If you look on the web, you can find stuff telling you to keep your ball python in a 10g tank, to letting a nile monitor free roam a room in your house.

He did a search, and then failed at spelling "savannah" correctly? He did a search and found that across the web the general consensus is to never use an aquarium for a monitor? Come on, I know 13 year olds getting into reptiles who can at least search and come up with SOME information on their own. Also, a ball python can be kept in a 10g for a short time; however, a monitor should never be kept in a fish tank for any length of time.

Right?

I was just extremely put off by this person's answer, when mostly everyone I've come across here is extremely kind and helpful.

I guess I also took personal offence when the majority of my family is "foreign", and grouping foreign people with uneducated people is highly offensive to me. They are some of the most educated and hard-working people I know. Among them are Chiropractors, Aerospace engineers, Professors and otherwise.
It just upsets me that many people view foreign people as stupid. Just because English isn't their first language, doesn't mean that they are uneducated.

You took my wording wrong. I'm not saying that because you are foreign that you are uneducated. Hell I know plenty of foreign people myself and they are nicer people and harder workers than most of the garbage Americans we have today. That doesn't change the fact that if he is foreign, he's not doing his research into proper spelling/communication to get his point across. Not hard to google "savahna" and get the actual spelling and scientific name of the animal to communicate properly. I talk to several foreigners on other boards, and they all manage it quite well.

Anyways, I was also going to mention that I would rather ask people on a forum that have experience with these kinds of animals, rather than doing google searches and just looking at caresheets that are essentially copies of each other.
This is one of the best places that you can go to, to find information on reptiles and invertebrates, and treating people with hostility and aggressiveness is only going to drive people away from this community.

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Ask for advice, not hand holding. My girlfriend is looking to get her first lizard- a frilled dragon. In the process of doing this never did she go onto a forum "lol what size tank do kiep frild dragun". She did research herself, educated herself, read threads that others had posted etc.

I have no problem helping someone who NEEDS advice. I'd rather see this person do their share. This is expected.

[Amon Ra Reptiles]

I wasn't going to comment, but the more I read the worse it gets. So if I may say so myself..... That was an $@!?,)$ thing to say to a person. If that's how you are going to treat people on this board, then you'll have to deal with the $:/":":& comments made about you. I agree with some of what was said. Yes sometimes you have to be a little rude or stern to get a point across. However to judge a person because or race or origin is just wrong. So when you decide to grow up and stop being a narrow mined twit, then you wont have people ripping your £\^.