Understanding the platty gene?

[abi21491]

It really is no more complicated than any other gene, people just think it is because you can't visually see it. It works like any of the other co-dom genes within the BEL group - the Platinum (Lesser x Het Platty) is a "super" (homozygous) animal just like a Lesser x Lesser or Lesser x Mojave.

When you breed a Platinum (Lesser x Het Platty) to a Normal you should get about 50% Lessers and 50% Het Plattys (they look normal). You cannot get a Platinum out of a Platinum unless you breed it to 1) a Het Platty 2) A Lesser or 3) another Platinum.

In turn you can't get any normals out of a Platinum, all offspring will be atleast Lesser or Het Platty.

No Lessers carry the Het Platty gene. If they had that gene they would be Platinums, not Lessers.

Does that make sense?

[Jason Bowden]

It really is no more complicated than any other gene, people just think it is because you can't visually see it. It works like any of the other co-dom genes within the BEL group - the Platinum (Lesser x Het Platty) is a "super" (homozygous) animal just like a Lesser x Lesser or Lesser x Mojave.

When you breed a Platinum (Lesser x Het Platty) to a Normal you should get about 50% Lessers and 50% Het Plattys (they look normal). You cannot get a Platinum out of a Platinum unless you breed it to 1) a Het Platty 2) A Lesser or 3) another Platinum.

In turn you can't get any normals out of a Platinum, all offspring will be atleast Lesser or Het Platty.

No Lessers carry the Het Platty gene. If they had that gene they would be Platinums, not Lessers.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, except for the first paragraph. LOL I guess I'm being weird. I don't think you can compare platinum gene confusion with co-dom genes that produce BEL.

The rest of this post has clarified the subject to me though. Until you look at the original post. How do you get platinums from a platinum X lesser breeding? Ralphy did! Do you think Ralph Davis goofed on his records?

[abi21491]

Yeah, except for the first paragraph. LOL I guess I'm being weird. I don't think you can compare platinum gene confusion with co-dom genes that produce BEL.

The rest of this post has clarified the subject to me though. Until you look at the original post. How do you get platinums from a platinum X lesser breeding? Ralphy did! Do you think Ralph Davis goofed on his records?

Yes you can compare them because it works the same way, and it is part of that group of morphs.

and there is nothing surprising about producing a Platinum from Platinum x Lesser - the Platinum offspring inherited the Het Platty gene from the Platinum parent and the Lesser gene from the Lesser parent. Make sense?

[Jason Bowden]

Still don't think you can compare them. None of the other BEL producing genes work the same way. There is no lesser mojave, etc...

Not gonna argue though. LOL I think your mind is made up.

You said in your first post that lessers don't carry the platty gene. I guess it's a little harder for me to grasp. I'll catch on though.

[aalomon]

Still don't think you can compare them. None of the other BEL producing genes work the same way.

Not gonna argue though. LOL I think your mind is made up.

You said in your fist post that lessers don't carry the platty gene.

How do they work differently? The only difference is a het platty isnt visual.

...and yes, lessers do not carry the platty gene or they would be a platty. However, you can get a platty from a platty (one lesser gene, one het platty gene) x lesser (one normal gene, one lesser gene) breeding.

Theoretically, from this pairing you could the following genetic combinations:
Baby 1 - 2 lesser genes - visual BEL
Baby 2 - 1 lesser gene, 1 het platty gene - visual Platty
Baby 3 - 1 lesser gene, 1 normal gene - visual Lesser
Baby 4 - 1 het platty gene, 1 normal gene - het platty that looks normal

Those are all the possibly babies you could get from a platty x lesser cross so its not surprising a platty popped out.

[abi21491]

Still don't think you can compare them. None of the other BEL producing genes work the same way. There is no lesser mojave, etc...

Not gonna argue though. LOL I think your mind is made up.

You said in your first post that lessers don't carry the platty gene. I guess it's a little harder for me to grasp. I'll catch on though.

That doesn't mean they aren't on the same locus They are on the same locus because a Platinum is a super, it can't produce normals. If it wasn't on the same locus, normals would be produced - kind of like when you breed a Bumblebee (Spider x Pastel) to a normal.. You'll get Spiders, Pastels, Bees and Normals. A Platinum x Normal will give Lessers and Het Plattys, like a Lesser x Mojo BEL will give all Lessers and Mojos. No normals but it also can't reproduce itself UNLESS the other parent provides one of the needed genes.

No, a Lesser can't carry the gene, but a Platinum does. It is a Lesser x Het Platinum. Aalomon's answer below breaks it down well

How do they work differently? The only difference is a het platty isnt visual.

...and yes, lessers do not carry the platty gene or they would be a platty. However, you can get a platty from a platty (one lesser gene, one het platty gene) x lesser (one normal gene, one lesser gene) breeding.

Theoretically, from this pairing you could the following genetic combinations:
Baby 1 - 2 lesser genes - visual BEL
Baby 2 - 1 lesser gene, 1 het platty gene - visual Platty
Baby 3 - 1 lesser gene, 1 normal gene - visual Lesser
Baby 4 - 1 het platty gene, 1 normal gene - het platty that looks normal

Those are all the possibly babies you could get from a platty x lesser cross so its not surprising a platty popped out.

Also wanted to point out that some of the other BEL linked genes don't make BELs when bred together:

Mojave x Mystic - Mystic Potion
Mojave x Special - Crystal

They are still super forms though because those genes are all sitting on the same locus.

[Jason Bowden]

[QUOTE=abi21491;1595427]That doesn't mean they aren't on the same locus They are on the same locus because a Platinum is a super, it can't produce normals. If it wasn't on the same locus, normals would be produced - kind of like when you breed a Bumblebee (Spider x Pastel) to a normal.. You'll get Spiders, Pastels, Bees and Normals. A Platinum x Normal will give Lessers and Het Plattys, like a Lesser x Mojo BEL will give all Lessers and Mojos. No normals but it also can't reproduce itself UNLESS the other parent provides one of the needed genes.

No, a Lesser can't carry the gene, but a Platinum does. It is a Lesser x Het Platinum. Aalomon's answer below breaks it down well





Never heard of a locus.

Anyway, I wonder why a platty X normal breeding can't produce a platty. Or maybe you can.?

[Jason Bowden]

How do they work differently? The only difference is a het platty isnt visual.

...and yes, lessers do not carry the platty gene or they would be a platty. However, you can get a platty from a platty (one lesser gene, one het platty gene) x lesser (one normal gene, one lesser gene) breeding.

Theoretically, from this pairing you could the following genetic combinations:
Baby 1 - 2 lesser genes - visual BEL
Baby 2 - 1 lesser gene, 1 het platty gene - visual Platty
Baby 3 - 1 lesser gene, 1 normal gene - visual Lesser
Baby 4 - 1 het platty gene, 1 normal gene - het platty that looks normal

Those are all the possibly babies you could get from a platty x lesser cross so its not surprising a platty popped out.

OK I'm at an understanding.
Thanks! A little different, but I got it now. A lesser het platty is a platty. I guess I had a brain fart. LOL
Thanks again for putting up with me.








Thanks!

[abi21491]

OK I'm at an understanding. A normal color phase animal can carry the platty gene, but a lesser cannot. Amazing to me! I wonder if other morphs can carry the platty gene?
Thanks! A little different, but I got it now. A lesser het platty is a platty. I guess I had a brain fart. LOL
Thanks again for putting up with me.

Thanks!

Exactly From what I've gathered any of the BEL genes (Mojave, Lesser, Butter, etc) mixed with the Het Daddy gene are visual but I'm guessing any morph that ISN'T a BEL gene would carry the Het Platty gene unnoticed, like a Normal does. It only appears to show itself within the BEL complex.

[dr del]

Huh?

Still don't think you can compare them. None of the other BEL producing genes work the same way. There is no lesser mojave, etc...Not gonna argue though. LOL I think your mind is made up.

You said in your first post that lessers don't carry the platty gene. I guess it's a little harder for me to grasp. I'll catch on though.

Yes there is.

It just looks like a BEL - when you breed one to a normal you get 50% lessers and 50% mojaves.


dr del