Caramel Female on Eggs??? Photo???

[Quality_Snakes]

where are my data?

ps my friends doesn't have a pic of the female on the eggs, but that female is due to lay again soon. I asked him for pictures.

[jsmorphs2]

Great work Serpent! Here is a link to another thread from BLBC, maybe you can cross reference and combine the data.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=20146


I've noticed a lot of these girls have narrow heads, anyone else notice this?

[Serpent_Nirvana]

where are my data?

ps my friends doesn't have a pic of the female on the eggs, but that female is due to lay again soon. I asked him for pictures.

Hmmm, that's weird -- annnd this is why I need to go through and label the clutch data with whose clutch it is -- I would've sworn I included yours, but obviously I didn't!

jsmorphs I did comb the thread from BLBC -- I'm going to go over both threads again tomorrow, though, and annotate the data so I know whose clutch is whose. That'll also make it easier for others to add to the list, I think.

I know that for awhile Brock Wagner had some infertile caramel clutches posted on his blog/breeding records, but I couldn't find the blog on his new site.

[kb1290]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsYbiPXi6XM


Here's a caramlel on 3 good eggs one slug

[python_addict]

alright i have been watching this thread and thought i would look for myself and after watching people look for photos i went and looked for videos which personally i think is better but heres the second video to the link above lol 3 eggs and 1 slug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_SQpZ4Rqw&NR=1

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Okay, new tally, with annotations.

I couldn't for the life of me figure out where I got Clutch 5 from, so I didn't include it in the data. I left it in there with a question-mark though, in case someone else can figure out where it came from ...

I also realized that I'd overlooked a couple in the threads, plus duplicated one clutch that was double-posted by husband and wife in two different threads.

Again, my inclusion criteria was: numberic clutch data posted by the breeder. I didn't make pictures a requirement as long as there was actual, numeric data posted by the breeder him or herself. I also did not include any clutches that only had a picture, but no numbers, since I don't have x-ray vision to see under the coiled female

So, here's the revised version -- the actual percentages are very similar to the first go-round.

Internet caramel female statistics:

Clutch 1 (Els via Saskia): 3 slugs, 2 eggs

Clutch 2 (Jon Courtney): 4 slugs, 2 eggs

Clutch 3 (Adam Staley): 7 slugs, 2 eggs

Clutch 4 (hgrub): 5 slugs, 2 eggs

Clutch 5 (????): 4 slugs, 1 eggs, 1 boob

Clutch 6 (George at Morphmadness): 7 slugs

Clutch 7 (Sean Bradley): 1 slug, 3 eggs

Clutch 8 (Sean Bradley – same female as above): 3 eggs

Clutch 9 (Tim Bailey): 3 slugs, 1 boob

Clutch 10 (dzbreptiles): 1 slug, 5 eggs

Clutch 11 (Quality Snakes): 4 slugs, 3 eggs

Clutch 12 (Dustan): 8 slugs, 1 egg


Clutches with only pictures (no numeric data):

TSK: 6-7 slugs, 1-2 eggs
CV exotics: 2-3 slugs, 2-3 eggs (difficult to tell from pic)


Total laid: 67

Total slugs: 43 (64%)

Total eggs: 24 (36%)

[python_addict]

^clutch 12.....i would be devasted......i dont think im ever going to breed my 09 caramel female im selling her anyways i guess

[coldbloodaddict]

I also got a second clutch of all slugs from the Caramel female I bred...

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...el-Female-Laid......

[purplemuffin]

Yikes! Well, thanks for compiling all that information! Hopefully it will save some people from heartbreak, or at least prepare people to deal with the possibility of all/mostly slugs!

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Yeah, the interesting (and especially lousy) part is, even though the data comes out at right around 2:1 slugs to eggs (Jon's 2nd clutch brings it much closer to exactly 2/3 slugs and 1/3 eggs) -- it seems like no matter the size of the clutch, you can expect no more than 2-3 good eggs.

The best so far is dzbreptiles' clutch with five eggs (and yes, that one had picture proof ).

So, I dunno. I will say that mine is a mostly academic interest, though I do have a very lovely caramel male (that I actually added after learning about the caramel females' fertility issues) that I'm hoping to use towards caramel mojaves. I am sort of wondering what to do with that project's way in the future female caramel offspring, though ...

Looking at the data I've compiled so far, my thought is that it'll be worth it to raise up those caramel daughters even if they only give me a couple of eggs, as long as they're bred to a powerful enough male. (I mean, hey, mares and cows only give one baby a year!) If I figure the cost of raising up a female from a baby is a couple hundred bucks, using the right male, she could still potentially pay for her board with one or two offspring -- if she does produce those 2-3 eggs that are statistically expected.