Harlequin Wide-Stripe

[Drewp]

The line was from VMS from what i've seen it's not a co dom or dom it's an incomplete dom. The dots are on the lower half toward the tail. The combos don't have it but all the non combos have it. Next season at least 2 female wide stripes will be bred to wide stripe males so we should find out more info then.

Its strange to me that your friend has hatched 1st gen visual offspring, but the info that Robyn@SYR has posted indicates that they have a recessive gene at play.

You got your original wide-stripes from VMS and VMS got their original wides from PE. Yet it seems like theres 2 different lines being "dinked" with.

Maybe there is more than one morph involved here, or maybe its not that easy.

[Simple Man]

Awesome thread. Thanks everyone for adding info and thanks Dwerp for starting it. I just read from where I last did and all sorts of great info is in here.

Regards,

B

[meeistom]

I have to agree there does seem to be more at play here. Going to take a long time to sort this out. We have second and third gen animals and each generation has produced wides. In two years we will have about 14 females and over 30 males so the pool will be bigger and hopefully more answers.

Its strange to me that your friend has hatched 1st gen visual offspring, but the info that Robyn@SYR has posted indicates that they have a recessive gene at play.

You got your original wide-stripes from VMS and VMS got their original wides from PE. Yet it seems like theres 2 different lines being "dinked" with.

Maybe there is more than one morph involved here, or maybe its not that easy.

[Robyn@SYR]

We have seen it in first gen as well. But also from "hets" that are "normal looking".

But what is "normal looking"? Is a single two inch section of striping really normal, or is it just a really low visual of the PE Stripe?

I see more striping in lots of completely normal and unrelated animals than I do in some of our "het" PE Stripes. That is what makes it confusing.

It definitely exhibits a dominant style production, but it is so wildly inconsistent and fairly unpredictable that it leaves me confused.

[meeistom]

Well I know someone who has a female we sold as a normal from a wide stripe clutch. She was bred this year and laid 4 nice eggs that are due to hatch very soon. That might help answer if the non visual are in fact "hets" If a wide stripe comes out then it's another piece to a very confusing puzzle.

[Aes_Sidhe]

Ohh That Tread make me Want get Harlequin female .. and I believe Outback have one on kingsnake for sale

Edit: Uhhh.. not anymore

[meeistom]

On a different note just got a text that the wide x cinnamon clutch hatched out it was 1 wide, 2 cinnamon, and 2 normal. No combo. 6 more clutches to go now hopefully some combo's will come out of it.

[meeistom]

If you can find a female i'd pick it up just to dink with. I got out as I can't afford any long term projects right now. I'm hoping next year when things have settled for me i'll get back in.

Ohh That Tread make me Want get Harlequin female .. and I believe Outback have one on kingsnake for sale

Edit: Uhhh.. not anymore

[jsmorphs2]

On a different note just got a text that the wide x cinnamon clutch hatched out it was 1 wide, 2 cinnamon, and 2 normal. No combo. 6 more clutches to go now hopefully some combo's will come out of it.

Nice! I'd love to see pics of that clutch.

[Robyn@SYR]

Ok, some new pics from today. Males and females here, Ghosts, "hets", and PE Stripes, all from the PE Stripe line, including our DH Ghost PE Stripe line. FOUR DIFFERENT clutches represented here, all 2011 hatch : )

3 Ghost PE Stripes, all separate clutches:


These are "hets" or just PE Stripes. The two on the left hint at the Tri Stipe-ish animals we have hatched. The third is what I would visually sell as normal (or possibly as "het" PE Stripe), the last is something I definitely visually identify as part of the PE Stripe line.