Keep Michael Vick off the cover of Madden '12

[stratus_020202]

I agree with pit. 100%.

I met my uncle for the first time when I was 27. Why? Because he was in prison for 25 yrs for vehicular manslaughter. He killed a family because he was driving under the influence. Do you want to know how long he was out before he started drinking again? A few months. I've watched my father go through so much emotional pain struggling with this. Will I ever forgive him? Give him a second chance? No. Hell no, from the bottom of my heart.

And, I don't care that he's a famous athlete. He could be some random person, and I would still fight against him being on the cover of anything. But, I also think he is a public figure and should behave a little more responsibly. If nothing else, do it for all the young kids who idolize you.

[zina10]

Wow ! Very volatile subject !!

Since I don't care about football one way or another (ducking the rotten eggs, lol) I can't really say I know enough about who to vote on what.

However, when it comes to M. Vick, I would rather see him nowhere at all.
I would like to say, this is my opinion only. I'm NOT judge or jury, and I don't proclaim to be. But I DO have the right to my OWN opinion.

What he did was simply disgusting. To me, this makes him a disgusting human being, and pretty close to being worthless. Now, before you all throw me into the fire, remember, its just my opinion.
I truly believe he is in no shape or form sorry for what he did to the dogs. I do believe he is sorry about getting caught and all the problems he got into over it.

Sorry, you do now "grow" a conscience or empathy. Especially not over being "punished" for something. He tortured and killed SEVERAL times. That means, more then once. That there pretty much proves that he felt NOTHING for these animals, at least, nothing good. Don't tell me he does now. If he hadn't got caught, he would probably still be engaging in this travesty.

On the whole point of "human vs animals" , "pets vs livestock" etc, I only have one thing to say. I do value human life over animals. Its because I am a mother, and everyone has one. I wouldn't want to look into a mothers eyes of the person I let drown over saving my dog. Again, that is just my opinion, and my view on this. I love all my animals dearly and I'm still grieving the loss of my dog from last year, he was as close to a soulmate as one could ask for. I'm grateful for the 10 years I had with him.
They truly are the most loyal, honest and faithful of animals one can ask for.

About the whole "livestock vs companion animals" thing. Sure, its not fair that cows get slaughtered , yet we cry out at dogs getting drowned. Sure, we have our rodents killed for the snakes (or let the snakes do it). But SURELY people understand that there is a difference, unfair or not. Most animals that have evolved along with the humans have played a role for us. Dogs were our companion, hunting partners, protectors and so much more. This country was built using horses one way or another, its part of our heritage. And yes, then there is the livestock, there to provide food and materials.

I'm no vegetarian. But I do have empathy. I strongly wish there would be better regulations (and enforcement) of humane treatment at slaughter plants as well as on the transport. I wouldn't mind paying more for my meat, in order for that to happen.

But sorry, no, I don't view my dog the same as the cow I may eat. I think that is basic human nature, and not necessarily "hypocrisy".

Do I think rape or child molestation and murder is worse then what Vick did to the dogs ? Um, YEAH. But how does that even matter in this particular discussion? We aren't talking about a rapist or a murderer or any other of the countless trash walking the earth. Right at this point the talk is about Vick alone, and what he did, and what people think about it and whether they want to see his mug anywhere. And just because there may still be "worse" crimes, doesn't excuse his crime.

So he did his time. Sorry, that doesn't change the fact of the pure nature of his crime. He may be legally free and excused but please do not expect people to do the same in their mind. What about child molesters that did their time ? So, they are out of jail and free, does that mean they should have a "clean slate" ? I guess there may be some that think so, but I would NEVER ever forgive them, or want them anywhere around my or other children. Period.

Again, I'm no judge or jury or court, but in my opinion there are some crimes that are so heinous, and so devoid of anything that makes us human, that these persons are IN MY OPINION worthless. Someone that can actually torture and kill such innocent beings as pets or children, that just takes a whole nother level of evilness.

Yes , there are many wrongs in this world, and yes, he did his time. But to me, he is overpaid trash. For all the reasons listed.

I know I may get flamed and my words and meanings dissected and chewed up. But remember, I do not expect anyone to share my opinion, I do not push my opinion on anyone, I do not say its "gospel". All I ask that you respect my right to have one, as I respect others rights to have their own, even if it differs from mine.

To anyone that actually read this long rant of mine, thank you , I know it was long winded and please remember that english is my second language, so excuse any spelling and grammar errors.

[PweEzy]

I have a question for everyone bashing saying don't put him on the cover or he didn't get rightful punishment. Just because this happened in the past, should he not be able to utilize the talent he has on the football field? Just because he made one mistake, does he not deserve to be the best quarterback he can? If you say yes, then I hope when you royally screw something up in life, that nobody will forgive you and you are no longer able to utilize your ability in whatever it is you do. I understand that there are some things that stick with you the rest of your life, but if he is diligently trying to better himself and trying to leave the past behind, why condemn the man for this?

I understand that some people probably have such strong opinions because they are absolute animal lovers, but instead of dwelling on whats done, why don't you praise the fact that it isn't happening any more?

But, I also think he is a public figure and should behave a little more responsibly. If nothing else, do it for all the young kids who idolize you.

Isn't that why he publicly admitted he was wrong and sorry for what he had done? To send a message to all these "young kids" to tell them to learn from his mistakes? Just saying...


My homeboy upstairs forgave all of us for the wrong doing we do everyday, why can't we return the favor and forgive Vick?

[TessadasExotics]

Personally I don't understand why he is even still in Pro-football. No felon should be. Role models should not be pimps, child molesters, rapists, drug users/dealers, killers, etc, etc and the list goes on. For the amount of money that they make, they should be banned for any of the afore mentioned. Any crime they commit should get them the axe.

Our justice system as well as our government is broken and corrupt.

I would save my dog over a stranger any day.


I also didn't think Tyson should have been allowed back into Boxing.

I also believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Feed Vic to the dogs. Now that would be something.

[stratus_020202]

Isn't that why he publicly admitted he was wrong and sorry for what he had done? To send a message to all these "young kids" to tell them to learn from his mistakes? Just saying...

Um no. Being a resposible adult, father, role model, is not only getting yourself out of the hole you've dug. It's also standing there with a club, looking down at a bleeding dog after you've hit it the first time, and thinking "you know, this is wrong. Maybe I should quit before I get caught."

One mistake? ONE. Perhaps you haven't read about all the charges filed against him, and all the terrible things he's done. And, yes, if I become a mass murderer and run around brutally killing animals, I hope people hate me forever. I want a constant reminder for the rest of my life that what I did is unforgivable.

The man is already trying to get another dog. Are you kidding me? Because his children are sad they can't ever own a dog. He cancelled on Oprah for fear of meeting one of the dogs he terrorized. I don't think he can face what he did. He just turns his back and says i'm sorry. Oops. Running to the arms of people who forgave him. It's ok, cover his eyes, let him think the past is past. Sooner or later his evil side will show up again.

[zina10]

Ok, if they allow that man to own a dog again, I will honestly loose all remaining faith in the system.

imho he is NOT sorry he did what he did, he is just sorry he got caught and all that resulted from that.

Please tell me they won't let him own dogs, at the very least.

[chessfighter]

Some of ya'll support HSUS and PETA. They kill or support the killing of more animals than Vick has ever killed. The man did his time let's get off his back.

[zina10]

Some of ya'll support HSUS and PETA. They kill or support the killing of more animals than Vick has ever killed. The man did his time let's get off his back.

2 wrongs don't make a right, sorry.

And many of us do know PETA and HSUS for what they are. Also, I respect that in your opinion people should forgive Vick

But understand that people have different opinions and I will not forgive his crime anymore then I will forgive a child molester, just because he has "done his time"

Some thing are unforgivable IN MY OPINION, because some things stem from an evil mind. Not just from making mistakes and bad decisions.

I can see forgiving theft, lying, cheating etc. But some things don't change by sitting in jail for a couple of month.

Some people are just rotten.

I respect your opinion, I just don't share it.

[mues155]

[QUOTE=TessadasExotics;1548594]Personally I don't understand why he is even still in Pro-football. No felon should be. Role models should not be pimps, child molesters, rapists, drug users/dealers, killers, etc, etc and the list goes on. For the amount of money that they make, they should be banned for any of the afore mentioned. Any crime they commit should get them the axe.QUOTE]

Doesnt it just make you proud to be good old americans?

I just spent the last half hour reading through all 5 pages of this thread...
most of you covered what I would have said.
I want to say thanks for the thread opener who started the great debate! I love a good old debate thread!
Iam not a football fan by any means, so i think im pretty unbiast there. But Iam very biast when it comes to whether or not animals should be compaired to humans. And humans are infact a plague on this world and we are destroyers of every natural resource we have. On a smaller note...
I agree that I will never support vick or talk good of him, he ruined it for me and I hope a lot of people, I dont think people should so easily forgive and forget. Now this doesnt mean this is the only celebrity I dislike as a human being. The list is huge of useless oxygen sucking people in this country. Some worse than others, but then again this is a thread on VICK and his wrong doings, not OJ, not Tyson, blah blah blah...that being said....
I just want to say kudos for PitOnTheProwl, and stratus_020202 I enjoyed your posts and agree!

And by the way, I would save THE DOG over a human anyday.
Which is probably why I would rather buy a loaf of bread and feed the pigeons than feed a homeless person.

[mues155]

Personally I don't understand why he is even still in Pro-football. No felon should be. Role models should not be pimps, child molesters, rapists, drug users/dealers, killers, etc, etc and the list goes on. For the amount of money that they make, they should be banned for any of the afore mentioned. Any crime they commit should get them the axe.

Our justice system as well as our government is broken and corrupt.

Doesnt it just make you proud to be good old americans?

I just spent the last half hour reading through all 5 pages of this thread...
most of you covered what I would have said.
I want to say thanks for the thread opener who started the great debate! I love a good old debate thread!
Iam not a football fan by any means, so i think im pretty unbiast there. But Iam very biast when it comes to whether or not animals should be compaired to humans. And humans are infact a plague on this world and we are destroyers of every natural resource we have. On a smaller note...
I agree that I will never support vick or talk good of him, he ruined it for me and I hope a lot of people, I dont think people should so easily forgive and forget. Now this doesnt mean this is the only celebrity I dislike as a human being. The list is huge of useless oxygen sucking people in this country. Some worse than others, but then again this is a thread on VICK and his wrong doings, not OJ, not Tyson, blah blah blah...that being said....
I just want to say kudos for PitOnTheProwl, and stratus_020202 I enjoyed your posts and agree!

And by the way, I would save THE DOG over a human any day.
Which is probably why I would rather buy a loaf of bread and feed the pigeons than feed a homeless person.