FWS Files Final Rule/ Constrictor Ban

[knox]

Let's make this parallel...

I totally support my next door neighbor's right to own a few cats, even though I am allergic to them.

BUT... The very second they bring home a Lion or Tiger, I have a serious problem with that.

Does that make me a hypocrite or narrow minded?

I love German Shepherds, but I don't want wolves living next door, either, in case they DO get out and kill the local doggies and kitties.

I LOVE Colubrids, but if I found out someone in the upstairs apartment had Cobras and Mambas, I have a serious problem with that as well.

Hypocritical? Should everyone be allowed to own anything, just because I own a Corn or Milksnake? What about Rhinos? Should they be free to own them as well?

Not trying to offend anyone, just throwing more thoughts out there...

[Freakie_frog]

Here's another for example. Your state banned the owning, displaying or use of mistletoe in public venues or private dwellings. Why because if you're dumb enough to eat it it'll kill you. So some banns like this one are simply because someone somewhere was stupid and "We the People" feel the need to protect each other from themselves..

[dr del]

Hi,

I appreciate that you are trying to start a discusion.

But we had that discussion many, many times when this was first proposed. Your side lost.

I would do a search for the previous discusions and see what was said to prevent everyone just repeating themselves. This is an idiotic, vindictive, kneejerk reaction to a stable door that was opened by the wind years ago.

I am puzzled how you expect anyone to show you undocumented evidence of snakes being released however?

I get that lack of evidence is not evidence of lack but to ask for proof of the unproven section is almost zen.

There were genetic studies done on the snakes recovered from the everglades which supported the hurricane hypothesis and found no evidence of repeated infusions of fresh genes - something that would be expected if these were all released pets over many years.

As for not thinking people can, or should, keep some of these species this isn't the best website for finding examples - monstersnakes.com might be better for example.


dr del

[knox]

No, no. Not calling your posts bs. I love a good debate as well. Sorry, jumped the gun a bit there. I'm reading your post as 'nobody can care for these animals properly,' and yes I think that is bs. I just think you are trying to understand a "big snake" keeper, and going about it the wrong way.

As I have stated, if someone can PROPERLY keep a 15 foot Anaconda or Rock Python, more power to them. However, a 16 year old kid still living with his mother, who has a 55 gallon aquarium and no plan for the poor animal when it reaches even 8 feet long - THAT upsets me.

Listen, guys and gals. I am more concerned about the care of the snakes than the freedom of the owners. It is too easy to buy these things without the ability to care for them 8 years down the road.

THAT is all I am saying.

[knox]

Dr. Del, me asking you to prove a negative was intentional... It can't be done

And saying that MY SIDE lost doesn't phase me at all. I don't have a side. Heck, I may come out of this saying let's ALL own African Rock Pythons.

I am just trying to discuss it. Is that wrong?

[mainbutter]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aside from the Boa Constrictor, all the other snakes are HUGE snakes like Rock Pythons, Anacondas, Burmese, Reticulated...

Your typical amethystine python is hardly a HUGE snake, heck for its weight, it's hardly a LARGE snake.

[Kinra]

Let's make this parallel...

I totally support my next door neighbor's right to own a few cats, even though I am allergic to them.

BUT... The very second they bring home a Lion or Tiger, I have a serious problem with that.

Does that make me a hypocrite or narrow minded?

I love German Shepherds, but I don't want wolves living next door, either, in case they DO get out and kill the local doggies and kitties.

I LOVE Colubrids, but if I found out someone in the upstairs apartment had Cobras and Mambas, I have a serious problem with that as well.

Hypocritical? Should everyone be allowed to own anything, just because I own a Corn or Milksnake? What about Rhinos? Should they be free to own them as well?

Not trying to offend anyone, just throwing more thoughts out there...

I don't really think it's the governments right to say what we can and can not own. Personally I support requiring permits for larger snakes because it helps keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. There are plenty of people in this country who own big cats, venomous snakes and wolves. These people are required to have permits, why because they can be dangerous animals, but people still have the right to own them. Yes accidents do happen and large dangerous animals do get out, but responsible owners are more likely to take precautions to prevent this than you would with your milk or corn snake. We need to stand united against bills like this because it will progress to the point where people are not allowed to own any exotic pets. If we don't try to stop this now it may be too late by the time they come for your snakes.

[Freakie_frog]

Let's make this parallel...

I totally support my next door neighbor's right to own a few cats, even though I am allergic to them.

BUT... The very second they bring home a Lion or Tiger, I have a serious problem with that.

Does that make me a hypocrite or narrow minded?

I love German Shepherds, but I don't want wolves living next door, either, in case they DO get out and kill the local doggies and kitties.

I LOVE Colubrids, but if I found out someone in the upstairs apartment had Cobras and Mambas, I have a serious problem with that as well.

Hypocritical? Should everyone be allowed to own anything, just because I own a Corn or Milksnake? What about Rhinos? Should they be free to own them as well?

Not trying to offend anyone, just throwing more thoughts out there...

Granted there are some animals like big cats that simply aren't pet's. And yes the big nine require special education and previsions. People fear big snakes but have no problem packing their kids up sitting them on 30 gallons of explosive liquid, them tieing them down and locking them in a 4500lb box of steel and glass and intentionality propelling said box at speeds of 60+ miles an hour with hundreds of other people in boxes of steel and glass filled with liquid explosive..Now who is being irresponsible..We even allow minors to take these risks but no can't own a big snake those things are dangerous..

[knox]

Your typical amethystine python is hardly a HUGE snake, heck for its weight, it's hardly a LARGE snake.

I didn't see that one on the list. Here is the list I saw:

1. Python molurus
2. Broghammeras reticulatus
3. Python sebae
4. Python natalensis
5. Boa constrictor
6. Eunectes notaeus
7. Eunectes deschauenseei
8. Eunectes murinus
9. Eunectes beniensis

Of course, my Latin could be off.

[Jay_Bunny]

However, a 16 year old kid still living with his mother, who has a 55 gallon aquarium and no plan for the poor animal when it reaches even 8 feet long - THAT upsets me.

And why should that affect me? If I want to keep a burmese and have the proper enclosure size, complete with locks on the cage to prevent escape and I take all the necessary precautions when handling said snake, why should the mistakes of the mother you mention (because obviously in the end, it is her fault for not telling her child no to an animal she knows nothing about) affect my ability to keep the snake I want?

You are comparing things that are not related. You can keep these large snakes in very small enclosures in comparison to keeping a wolf or tiger. Now if someone wants to set aside a few acres of land and build a secure enclosure for the tiger and has all the proper permits from the given state (if applicable) and has the necessary training, then I think that person should be allowed to keep what they want to keep.