Yes, but a really ugly super would look just like a pastel. You asked for a picture of an ugly super and I posted one so you would know what Im talking about. As I said before, nice pastels will probably produce nice supers, is it so hard for you to believe that ugly pastels (and we all know they are out there) produce ugly supers? Refusing to call a super a super because it is ugly doesnt mean its not a super.