What do I do about a pet store that is taking poor care of BPs?

[Superpop]

Yo superpoop, you're a cheap one aren'tcha?

Man up and drop a buck or two more at another store IF what you say is true.

I suspect you are more than just a bit of a dramaqueen. Have fun with that. Just do it elsewhere.

I have already stated more than once I am not a fan of pet stores in general and that we now buy all supplies(except food online) so as not to support pet stores.

It's not just that they sell their mice cheaper their. That pet store is by far the closest to our house and we are in that area every week to shop at other stores in the same strip mall.

I am not on this forum to make friends sweetie. I don't give a toss what you think about me. So when you reply like you did just to name call and be immature the only thing that is going to result is you going on ignore.

Bye now!

[Superpop]

Look online on CL or ebayclassifieds.com for rodent breeders or order bulk online, might cost more but you won't have to deal with that store anymore.

Thanks! I'll do that. I would rather not support pet stores in general.

So since you avoided my question did you try to talk to them or educate them yet? Or is reporting them the only thing you really care about to make an example out of them and feel powerful?

No I haven't but what good would it do anyway? This is not some tiny pet store. It's part of a chain that already has a bad reputation. They are not going to change if I ask them to.

Do you think if I ask them to stop buying disease ridden dogs from puppy mills and then selling them for a thousand bucks they would listen to me either?

If it was a small family owned pet store I might actually try to talk to them about the situations but that is not the case. A Petland store is not going to listen to me.

[Inknsteel]

If it was a small family owned pet store I might actually try to talk to them about the situations but that is not the case. A Petland store is not going to listen to me.

They're definitely not going to listen if you don't try to talk to them. You may actually be pleasantly surprised. Just because they're a chain store with a bad rep doesn't mean the individual employees in that store don't care. If you try talking to one of them, you will at least know that you've done all that you can for the animal. That was the whole point, right?

Because now that you're acting like it's a waste of your time to try to educate them, it really looks like you DID just come in guns blazing with your limited knowledge and superior attitude. What's the point of that?

[Johan]

So what's the purpose of your post? You want this store to be held accountable, accountable to whom? You? Why should they have to meet with your approval? You admit you've only owned a snake for some 9-10 months and you're going to be considered the expert here. I don't think so. Yeah, I know, you've read all the caresheets. These are opinions given. I've NEVER used a thermometer, nor a hygrometer. NONE of my breeders have a hide. As a matter of fact, there are times my snakes don't have a water bowl of any size in their enclosure. Ask any breeder, they'll tell you the same thing. You're an example of a little information be dangerous. Keep snakes for a few more years and see if your opinion doesn't change.

Jim Smith

You say you never use a thermometer etc etc etc. How to you manage your snakes heat? you just guess? You figure it just doesnt really matter? Im curious for your reasoning behind this. Do you just manage humidity/heat of your whole snake room?
Do you have no hides because your snake is in a dark drawer and feels safe? If you throw a hide in their box do they use it? Thanks

[OhhWatALoser]

You say you never use a thermometer etc etc etc. How to you manage your snakes heat? you just guess? You figure it just doesnt really matter? Im curious for your reasoning behind this. Do you just manage humidity/heat of your whole snake room?
Do you have no hides because your snake is in a dark drawer and feels safe? If you throw a hide in their box do they use it? Thanks

assuming he has the same theories as I do, ill answer that

you manage it with an IR gun of some sort and a thermostat. yes it does matter and thats why I use what I use.

Humidity is hard to measure accurately, moisture doesn't spread evenly in air by any means, thats why you can have same humidity gauges next to each other and give different readings. I find it better to gauge it by how the cage looks and feels. Moisture on the glass and wet looking substrate indicates high humidity, Dry substrate means low humidity, it not hard to figure out the balance.

I only use hides on snakes that need them, observe their behavior and eating habits, half my snakes don't need hides, so why use them, their fine in the racks.

[j_h_smith]

You say you never use a thermometer etc etc etc. How to you manage your snakes heat? you just guess? You figure it just doesnt really matter? Im curious for your reasoning behind this. Do you just manage humidity/heat of your whole snake room?
Do you have no hides because your snake is in a dark drawer and feels safe? If you throw a hide in their box do they use it? Thanks

See, there you go showing your ignorance. I use an infrared heat gun. I can check mulitple enclosures and know that each temperature recorded will be calibrated with the same gun. You can't do that with thermometers. Each can give you a different reading. So, to answer your questions, no I don't guess, I use technology. You ask me whether it doesn't really matter? Do you honestly think you have any of the answers, much less all of them.

Unlike your precious carsheets, I don't monitor my humidity. I have water bowls that provide enough humidity. Do you honestly think that these snakes live in controlled temps and humidity in the wild? So what if my humidity ranges from 40-70% at times. I know my snakes don't, but you probably do.

When you have a 1600 gram snake in a 32 qt enclosure, you don't have room for a hide. They are all in racks with solid sides, so if they want they can dig under the paper to hide but they don't usually.

See how much you can learn by listening? Stop talking and listen to us. We've been giving you the correct answers, but you continue to insist it has to be your way.

From your descriptions, THESE SNAKES ARE NOT BEING ABUSED. The husbandry is different than you've read on caresheets, but they are okay. Maybe not ideal, but okay. Stop preaching until you've read the Bible a few times.

Jim Smith

[OhhWatALoser]

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From your descriptions, THESE SNAKES ARE NOT BEING ABUSED. The husbandry is different than you've read on caresheets, but they are okay. Maybe not ideal, but okay. Stop preaching until you've read the Bible a few times.

Jim Smith

jim in his defense, hes not the OP, he was just asking.

[Superpop]

j_h_smith

It seems you may be confusing Johan with me. Before you spout off you should really at least spout off to the right person.

Just sayin.

[j_h_smith]

You say you never use a thermometer etc etc etc. How to you manage your snakes heat? you just guess? You figure it just doesnt really matter? Im curious for your reasoning behind this. Do you just manage humidity/heat of your whole snake room?
Do you have no hides because your snake is in a dark drawer and feels safe? If you throw a hide in their box do they use it? Thanks

You mention managing humidity like your little hygrometer is accurate. Not by a long shot. Do you own a wet bulb hygrometer? Do you know the calculations on how to determine the actual humidity at any given temperature? So unless you have a couple hundred dollars in heat guns, and wet bulb hygrometers, I challenge you to prove that your set up actually correct.

If you want to stand there and cast stones, prove to me that your set up is correct.

Doesn't feel good being criticized does it? Well that's what you're doing to this pet store. We tried to guide you to the best of our abilities, but you make phone calls, invite the doggy deputy to visit this store. All for what reason, because you, a self professed expert with 10 months of experience determined that because he wasn't doing it your way, he was abusing the snakes.

I've been doing this for over 20 year and I'm still learning almost everyday. I can't imagine how you've become the complete herpetologist in just 10 months.

The members of this forum aren't here to mess with your head, we try our best to answer questions with reason. That's why this forum is so well liked. If you ask a question, you will usually get a couple of really good answers.

Stop, go back and read many of the comments in your first thread. There are some really good suggestions and viewpoints.

Jim Smith

[Superpop]

You mention managing humidity like your little hygrometer is accurate. Not by a long shot. Do you own a wet bulb hygrometer? Do you know the calculations on how to determine the actual humidity at any given temperature? So unless you have a couple hundred dollars in heat guns, and wet bulb hygrometers, I challenge you to prove that your set up actually correct.

If you want to stand there and cast stones, prove to me that your set up is correct.

Doesn't feel good being criticized does it? Well that's what you're doing to this pet store. We tried to guide you to the best of our abilities, but you make phone calls, invite the doggy deputy to visit this store. All for what reason, because you, a self professed expert with 10 months of experience determined that because he wasn't doing it your way, he was abusing the snakes.

I've been doing this for over 20 year and I'm still learning almost everyday. I can't imagine how you've become the complete herpetologist in just 10 months.

The members of this forum aren't here to mess with your head, we try our best to answer questions with reason. That's why this forum is so well liked. If you ask a question, you will usually get a couple of really good answers.

Stop, go back and read many of the comments in your first thread. There are some really good suggestions and viewpoints.

Jim Smith

That would be ME not Johan.

If you want to attack someone at least attack the right person!

You are obviously not reading this thread very well because you are merging Johan and myself into one person.

I am the one with the problem with the pet store.

He is the one who asked about your set-up.

We are different people.