emergency question! snake got bit! by another snake

[tsealock]

At least put a cage divider in there...better than nothing. Divide the cage so that both halves stillhave a temperature gradient. Get seperate tubs asap.

[stratus_020202]

I still don't understand. You don't measure heat or humidity? Is it just a heater heating? They need an undertank heater for belly heat, put on a thermostat, and measured with a thermometer to make sure temps are good.

Each tub you put those babies in needs a hot side and cold site. 80-82 cold, and 90-92 warm. I know you are trying your best, but you have no idea what your doing.

I am really sorry and I hope we can get these creatures in suitable homes. But, if you can't take care of an animal, you shouldn't buy it. Study everything, and then study some more. Make sure you know what your doing, before you do it.

I screwed up on my first snake because of pet store directions. Thank goodness I found this site to correct it. BP.net has saved many animals, not just ball pythons. As long as you know what's wrong and change it.

Good luck.

[kyokitty666]

im not getting rid of any of my snakes, ive only had them for a few days and the male for a week and a half, some of you have really been nice and supportive but some of you just dont want to give anyone a chance, honestly i believe that they are better off with me then with who they were with, while with him they got how they are now

I know some people might say im wrong in saying so but i really do care about my animals, reptiles and all, as ive said, i wasnt expecting to get what i did, the first day i got the snakes i had 3 tanks, 2 10 gallon and the larger one, i intended to buy one snake and ended up decideing to get all, expecting to be getting the tubs same day, i have plans to get what i need, as i have stated, i do not need any more bad comments, i understand and i would really like to stay with this site, for my snakes if nothing else

so far ive taken everything in stride, nothing bad at all comeing from me, ive done better from where i started and i was hoping for some nice criticism, not more rude comments, i cant split the tank because i only have one under tank heater, if i split it, only one snake gets heat. i do moniter the heat, sadly only with tank thermometers right now, i already have digital ones ordered.

if you have something to say about myself or my snakes, then please all i ask is you not suggest i get rid of my pets.

[stratus_020202]

im not getting rid of any of my snakes, ive only had them for a few days and the male for a week and a half, some of you have really been nice and supportive but some of you just dont want to give anyone a chance, honestly i believe that they are better off with me then with who they were with, while with him they got how they are now

I know some people might say im wrong in saying so but i really do care about my animals, reptiles and all, as ive said, i wasnt expecting to get what i did, the first day i got the snakes i had 3 tanks, 2 10 gallon and the larger one, i intended to buy one snake and ended up decideing to get all, expecting to be getting the tubs same day, i have plans to get what i need, as i have stated, i do not need any more bad comments, i understand and i would really like to stay with this site, for my snakes if nothing else

so far ive taken everything in stride, nothing bad at all comeing from me, ive done better from where i started and i was hoping for some nice criticism, not more rude comments, i cant split the tank because i only have one under tank heater, if i split it, only one snake gets heat. i do moniter the heat, sadly only with tank thermometers right now, i already have digital ones ordered.

if you have something to say about myself or my snakes, then please all i ask is you not suggest i get rid of my pets.

I know I sounded mean. I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting getting rid of anyone. I'm only trying to help, and I just want to know what your setup is like. I just don't want them getting sick, or dying. And, they need a hotside and coldside. They need to be seperated asap. And each enclosure you put them in needs a hot side and a cold side. I'm only interested in the snakes health. I want to know you are measuring their temps. I'm just trying to prevent something else from going wrong, and i'm telling you without these necessary steps there will be more problems if bad conditions continue.

I know you love your snakes, I loved mine even when I didn't know what I was doing. I had my baby in a 50 gallon with only a heat lamp, and i'm lucky he didn't get sick. Take everything in stride, you are doing awesome. But, you have to not just listen. Take action.

[kyokitty666]

I know I sounded mean. I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting getting rid of anyone. I'm only trying to help, and I just want to know what your setup is like. I just don't want them getting sick, or dying. And, they need a hotside and coldside. They need to be seperated asap. And each enclosure you put them in needs a hot side and a cold side. I'm only interested in the snakes health. I want to know you are measuring their temps. I'm just trying to prevent something else from going wrong, and i'm telling you without these necessary steps there will be more problems if bad conditions continue.

I know you love your snakes, I loved mine even when I didn't know what I was doing. I had my baby in a 50 gallon with only a heat lamp, and i'm lucky he didn't get sick. Take everything in stride, you are doing awesome. But, you have to not just listen. Take action.

i am taking action, like i posted somewhere either here or in another of my posts, i am taking action, ive given them hides, ive regulated when the lamp is and isnt on, ive given them each individual hides, ive made a seperate tub for my male snake, at the moment he doesnt have a cool side but at least i know he wont freeze, and if he does need cool, his bowl is cool wether the tub is warm or not, he has his own hide as well.

I love all my animals, and god forbid they do get sick, i wont let them get to the point its irriversable, you know? if they get sick i would take them to the vet, wether i had the money right away or not, ive seen a couple posts here about people really neglecting their ball pythons and i feel really bad that it seems like people are telling me im neglecting mine, and in reality im taking care of mine a million times better then some people do, and im just getting started, if i had to, i would spend thousands to make my snakes comfortable, it would take time but i would do it.

i want people to understand im not just trying to breed the snakes, or i would have gotten morphs, before i think about breeding i got these normal females because i want to handle them and get myself used to bigger snakes, to understand what it will take to care for them, i know what im doing, its hard for me because i have no support on my end, from any family at all, most are afraid of the snakes.

i was born around animals, i was born with horses, birds, dogs, fish, chickens, geese, and ducks, and it wasnt anything that was small, all animals were large, even the birds, they were amazon macaws and forrest birds, and an african grey bird, as well as one that was bigger then me when i was born, we had large gold fish and dobermans as pets, 3 of them, we had about 6 horses and 2 geese, 3 chickens and 2 ducks.

now, again all i want is people to give me some advice to better how i can care for my pets not tell me how wrong im doing it, i already know there are problems with the way im going about caring for them but like ive posted before, i cant make major changes in just a couple days, at least, not until i get paid, when i do, i want the best for my snakes. wich means they are staying with me

[Homegrownscales]

It's important to understand that everyone only has the animals best interests in mind. I know you do too, but this is why it's important to fully understand your capabilities. I take alot of rescues in myself but I at times when I have too many at once have had to turn one down. It's really hard to do that. But I have to give everyone their own space. I hope that you have separated them and have learned a really hard crappy lesson. You should never house 2 or more together and you should especially never feed together. It's important to know everything you can about any animal you take in and never assume with them. They have wild instincts. There has been cases of canabalism and suffocation when more than one bp is housed together. Not to mention over crowding and dominance will stress any animal out.
Also dipping a rat in chicken broth will do nothing to help the animal eat. Possibly the reason he isn't eating is bc of the over crowded cage. Using a uth without a thermostat is also putting the animals at high risk for thermal burns. They get extremely hot and bp don't have the same pain receptors we do. They will sit on an over heating uth and burn themselves very badly to the point of death at times.
Everyone on here deeply cares about not just their own animals but the whole communities. Even though the advice may be harsh it is the truth and it should be heeded. I think that if you are serious about wanting and keeping these animals you must do the things everyone is suggesting, ask as many questions as you can and research everything as much as you can. Read everything about them. We all start somewhere, it's just important to not accidentally get over your head and cause more harm. Its for the good of the animals. And they deserve the best.
For the treatment of the bite. Don't use neosprorine at all. It actually does more harm than good. It's oil based and softens their scales, possibly making them more suceptable to further injury. Go to your local drug store and get Betadyne, it's an iodine solution and cleans wounds very well. You should get a qtip and dip it in the betadyne and put it right on the wound. This will heal it nicely, and not soften his scales. Do this 2x daily. I hope this helps in some way.
Morgan
Ps sorry it's long winded.

[BroknBusted]

Snakes are like women. If you dote on them and try to be perfect, they are not interested; however, break the rules a bit and be a bit of an ass and they will fall all over you. The balls respond to those breeders the same way a chick would!

Am I the only one who thinks that is the quote of the month? I want to put that in my signatue line!

[anatess]

Hi Kyokitty... is the problem that you don't have any more money to spare for another tub?

It's fairly cheap to get another tub and heat mat and put dimmers on all enclosures. It is a much cheaper option than the risk of a vet visit. Maybe you can find some plastic bins in your house that you are using for things like Christmas decorations and such that you can use temporarily.

Basically, you need a heatmat (about $15 from PetCo), a dimmer (about $10 from Lowe's), a plastic storage bin (about $12 at Wal-mart)... or around $40 for one set-up unless you got some plastic bins around the house you can use which brings it down to $25.

[Homegrownscales]

Here's what you need for each snake.

1 sterilite tub at least 32l or more
1 heat pad to cover no more than 1/3
Of bottom of the tub.
1 water bowel big enough for them to soak in. ( I like the big plastic dog bowls you can get them at walmart or dollar stores)
1 hide only big enough for them to cram themselves into. ( I like the plastic bowls bc in my tubs my snakes go under them and it serves as there cool end hide as well)

Things you need for heat monitoring, and basic set up
1thermostat- you can hook all of the heat pads up to this and it turns them on and off according to the temps the probe is getting.
1 digital indoor outdoor thermometer
This will go next to the thermostat probe and it will tell you exactly how hot your hot side is.
1 spray bottle- spray 2x daily for humidity.

How hot should the hotside be?
Between 90-92.f

How cold should the cold side be?
It will generally be in between 75-80.f

Why do they absolutely need the two different zones?
Bps regulate their temps by going back and forth. They are ectothermic. Given only a hotside they will over heat and dehydrate leading to possible constipation problems, shed issues, and also death. Given only a coldside they will not eat, and possible respiratory infections will occur. Worst case senarios Death.

So this is a pretty basic setup, and not to costly either. But this is what you absolutely need to do.

[kyokitty666]

It's important to understand that everyone only has the animals best interests in mind. I know you do too, but this is why it's important to fully understand your capabilities. I take alot of rescues in myself but I at times when I have too many at once have had to turn one down. It's really hard to do that. But I have to give everyone their own space. I hope that you have separated them and have learned a really hard crappy lesson. You should never house 2 or more together and you should especially never feed together. It's important to know everything you can about any animal you take in and never assume with them. They have wild instincts. There has been cases of canabalism and suffocation when more than one bp is housed together. Not to mention over crowding and dominance will stress any animal out.
Also dipping a rat in chicken broth will do nothing to help the animal eat. Possibly the reason he isn't eating is bc of the over crowded cage. Using a uth without a thermostat is also putting the animals at high risk for thermal burns. They get extremely hot and bp don't have the same pain receptors we do. They will sit on an over heating uth and burn themselves very badly to the point of death at times.
Everyone on here deeply cares about not just their own animals but the whole communities. Even though the advice may be harsh it is the truth and it should be heeded. I think that if you are serious about wanting and keeping these animals you must do the things everyone is suggesting, ask as many questions as you can and research everything as much as you can. Read everything about them. We all start somewhere, it's just important to not accidentally get over your head and cause more harm. Its for the good of the animals. And they deserve the best.
For the treatment of the bite. Don't use neosprorine at all. It actually does more harm than good. It's oil based and softens their scales, possibly making them more suceptable to further injury. Go to your local drug store and get Betadyne, it's an iodine solution and cleans wounds very well. You should get a qtip and dip it in the betadyne and put it right on the wound. This will heal it nicely, and not soften his scales. Do this 2x daily. I hope this helps in some way.
Morgan
Ps sorry it's long winded.

im glad you understand and i think its good what your doing, also, the snake is fine, i didnt use anything because i wanted to make sure she was okay before puting her in more stress of putting something weird over her face.

i am taking everything in that im being told, i read that this is suppost to be a very friendly site and ive been shown thats only half true. but im still here because i want the best for my snakes.

also about the under tank heater, im careful with it, i check on it several times daily and most of the time, over the substrate its barely even warm.