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    Ok I have researched as much as I can, so this is my final list until someone comes forward with more info

    *8 Ball Complex*
    Cinnamon
    Black Pastel

    *BEL Complex*
    Butter
    Mojave
    Russo Het Leucistic
    Phantom
    Mystic
    Lesser
    Mocha
    Special
    Daddy Gene

    *BlkEL Complex*
    Fire
    Sulfur

    *Superstripe Complex*
    Yellow Belly
    Goblin
    Orange Belly
    Spector
    Whirlwind
    Het Puma
    Het Highway

    *Pied Complex*
    Leopard
    Piebald

    *Watch List - Unproven complex*
    Toffee
    Candy

    Ultramelanistic
    Crider

    Calico
    Sugar

    Het Red Axanthic
    Green Pastel

    Chocolate
    Sable

    Coral Glow
    Whitesmoke
    Banana

    Lemonback (BlkEL Complex)

    *Dominate Genes*
    Congo
    Pinstripe
    Spider - No Proven Homozygous

    *Unproven Domiate Genes*
    Champagne
    Woma
    Desert
    Black Head
    Epic
    Orange Dream
    Black Belly
    Shatter
    Marble
    Philistine
    Napalm
    Reaper
    Fader
    Black Lace
    Granite
    Citrus Pastel

    *Co-Dom*
    Pastel
    Lori
    Black Opal
    Enchi
    Vanilla
    Hidden Gene Woma
    Paint
    Spotnose
    Red Stripe
    Disco
    Garcia
    Sentinel
    Lace
    Ghi
    Cajun
    Huffman

    *Recessive*
    Albino
    Lavender Albino
    Caramel Albino
    Axanthic (VPI)
    Axanthic (TSK)
    Axanthic (Jolliff)
    Clown
    Genetic Stripe
    Tri-Stripe
    Hypo
    Green Ghost
    Blue Ghost
    Burgundy
    Patternless
    Orange Crush
    Peach
    Black Axanthic
    Goldfinger
    Puzzle
    Desert Ghost

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    Homozygous Spider

    Yes there are homozygous spiders... jsut ask brian barcyk! or listen to reptile radio...

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    Re: Homozygous Spider

    Quote Originally Posted by BrothersRoyal View Post
    Yes there are homozygous spiders... jsut ask brian barcyk! or listen to reptile radio...
    your thinking of pinstripe

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Ok from my research I think I have a few that may not be on your list. I have been doing lots of research and have spreadsheets upon spreadsheets so hopefully nothing is mixed up.
    I don't know anything about the complexes that will have to be my next research because I'm not sure what you are talking about with those, but I can tell you the morph and what gene I think it is from my research.
    Recessive morphs
    Autumn Gloss
    Butterscotch Ghost
    ?Tiger(Genetic Banded)
    Hyper Striper (haven't been able to find much on this at all)
    Orange Ghost
    Rio
    Yellow Ghost

    Dominant
    Avalanche
    Dot
    Ember
    Josie
    Orange Glow
    Super Reduced Pattern
    ?Tiger possible here instead of recessive

    Codom
    Blonde Pastel
    Crystal
    Lemon Pastel
    Lilly
    Madarin pastel
    Mahogany
    Powerball
    Speckled
    Sunset

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Are these genes recessive, dom, or codom?
    Special
    Daddy
    Orange Belly
    Whirlwind
    Het Highway
    Whitesmoke

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Quote Originally Posted by RemysBalls View Post
    Are these genes recessive, dom, or codom?
    Special
    Daddy
    Orange Belly
    Whirlwind
    Het Highway
    Whitesmoke
    AFAIK (read: disclaimer that this is all based on research as well, not years of hands-on experience )

    Special = Allele on the BEL locus; produces crystals when bred to mojaves and has a really wicked super (homozygous) form. Co-dom, but subtle.

    Daddy = "Hidden gene" allele on the BEL locus; produces platty daddies, butter daddies, etc., when combined w/other alleles on that locus. Apparently has no visually distinguishable homozygous form (????), and does not appear visually distinguishable from a wild-type ...

    Orange belly = Gene on the yellowbelly locus. (Variant of yellowbelly ..?) I think it's somehow tied into Ben Siegel's graphite ivory stuff, and I know it's his line of YBs ... He'd be the one to ask on that 'cos I'm not all too sure. Co-dom.

    Whirlwind = Another name for specter; on the YB locus. Makes a superstripe when bred to a YB. Co-dom.

    Het highway = A new allele on the YB locus. Makes a highway when bred to ... Um ... Something. I'm pretty fuzzy on some of the new superstripe/puma/highway stuff on that locus, as awesome as it is, so maybe someone more in the know can fill in here

    Whitesmoke = Another name for coral glow / banana. Suspected dominant with some sort of sex predilection.

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Autumn Gloss - new one to me, interesting thing
    Butterscotch Ghost - same thing as a hypo
    ?Tiger(Genetic Banded) - there are so many genetic reduce/banded lines out there, half of which i don't even think are proven genetic, I just decided not to put any of them on the list, you can still type them in tho.
    Hyper Striper - still unproven to my knowledge
    Orange Ghost - same as hypo
    Rio - this is another new one to me
    Yellow Ghost - same as a hypo

    Dominant
    Avalanche
    Dot - i've seen normals that look like this, id like to see more that its proven dominant (a simple clutch picture would do it)
    Ember - was waiting to see if it was another het BlkEL snake, but i guess i can add it to the list.
    Josie - just saw these guys a couple days ago, i like em
    Orange Glow - surprised i forgot these guys, their hot
    Super Reduced Pattern
    ?Tiger possible here instead of recessive

    Codom
    Blonde Pastel - same as pastel
    Crystal - thats a combo
    Lemon Pastel - same as pastel
    Lilly - only thing I can find on them is their listed co-dom on some sites, i can't find a info or even a picture of one tho
    Madarin pastel - im assuming same as pastel
    Mahogany - forgot about these guys also, supers the Suma right? or am i getting something else mixed up?
    Powerball -super spot nose
    Speckled - looks like a line of granite to me? I can only find one picture of a pastel speckled and it barely did anything to the pastel and if its co-dom wheres the homozygous?
    Sunset - never proved out

    thx for the list tho

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana View Post
    Orange belly = Gene on the yellowbelly locus. (Variant of yellowbelly ..?) I think it's somehow tied into Ben Siegel's graphite ivory stuff, and I know it's his line of YBs ... He'd be the one to ask on that 'cos I'm not all too sure. Co-dom.

    Het highway = A new allele on the YB locus. Makes a highway when bred to ... Um ... Something. I'm pretty fuzzy on some of the new superstripe/puma/highway stuff on that locus, as awesome as it is, so maybe someone more in the know can fill in here
    you are correct about the orange belly, tho i should apply the same disclaimer lol

    bred het highway to yellow belly to make highway

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    How are buterscotch, orabge, and yellow ghost same as hypo, but blue and green ghost are there own thing? I am slightly confused

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    Re: What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

    Quote Originally Posted by RemysBalls View Post
    How are buterscotch, orabge, and yellow ghost same as hypo, but blue and green ghost are there own thing? I am slightly confused
    because i can breed a orange hypo to a orange hypo and get orange, butterscotch and yellow hypos all in the same clutch. all of them are just the standard hypo

    while blue hypo is not compatible, its a different gene, green seems to still be in debate, there seems to be different lines of green hypo... i donno it confusing.
    Last edited by OhhWatALoser; 01-21-2011 at 06:57 PM.

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