i honestly think the natural way is a bit odd. I realize the fascination of the "wild animal" but think about it most balls are kept in RACKS! lol. with 0 substrate the genes and animals are the focus not the habitat. obviously this is my opinion and also why would u want to put all this effort and $ into something (clutch) and put your animals through all that stress to not reap your reward. I dunno either way interesting thread.