photo I.D. guarantee

[Wh00h0069]

I would talk with the buyer and we would decide what the best course of action would be. Most likely I would buy the snake back from them at the cost that they bought it from me, and a little extra for their time. I may also trade with them if I have a 100% het of the same morph / same sex.

BTW, I only guarantee if they are breeding the het to a visual.

[PitOnTheProwl]

I'm still new to this but, in any breeding there is still no guarantee that you will get the outcome that you want. There are so many variables and with a het not being visual I would see it also as a buyers gamble. I have though about buying a couple hets but when I do, I still know there is a chance I would like the outcome. If there is a question, then as someone else posted, breed to a visual instead of het to het.
Just my feelings from a buyer point of view.
On a seller side, you will never be able to make everyone happy all the time, but you should be reasonable to rectify the situation if you guarantied the sale.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

If the customer had bred the het with a visual twice and the het had not prove out I would offer a proven breeder in replacement or a visual hatchling as well as some other form of compensation for the inconvenience.

Now if the het was bred to another het and the other het was not produced by me I would offer that the animal was returned to me so I can prove the animal out with a visual and offer the same compensation should it not prove.

[RichsBallPythons]

If the female was the visual ALL the babies will be 100% hets no matter who bred her that year or the previous year.

This is why its not wise breeding het female to visual males unless the female is a virgin.

[don15681]

I would talk with the buyer and we would decide what the best course of action would be. Most likely I would buy the snake back from them at the cost that they bought it from me, and a little extra for their time. I may also trade with them if I have a 100% het of the same morph / same sex.

BTW, I only guarantee if they are breeding the het to a visual.

very good point

[Hilltop]

I think that the photo guarantee is more so you get the snake that you picked on the internet and if it does die or something and you return it it protects the seller also, basiclly its the defence for both parties from the switcheroo.

The whole returning hets thing is kind of a non-issue IMO because in the 5 ot 6 years you have into a snake before you can reasonablly feel you have held up your end on proving out, its a bigger investment then the updated price of the het in question, IE a 100% Het albino 6 yrs ago was probly bought for 700+ and now it doesnt prove out so you go back to the breeder and complain well chances are if they are still in business you will get your new het, now worth about 100 bucks, and your back to square one with a new baby. Its the time you lose in hets, its a gamble. So if your going the Het route try and buy from reputable people and maybe do a little praying to the snake gods before you settle on one. Just MHO

[mainbutter]

I make sure this will never happen by not working with recessive traits.

lol.

[don15681]

I think that the photo guarantee is more so you get the snake that you picked on the internet and if it does die or something and you return it it protects the seller also, basiclly its the defence for both parties from the switcheroo.

The whole returning hets thing is kind of a non-issue IMO because in the 5 ot 6 years you have into a snake before you can reasonablly feel you have held up your end on proving out, its a bigger investment then the updated price of the het in question, IE a 100% Het albino 6 yrs ago was probly bought for 700+ and now it doesnt prove out so you go back to the breeder and complain well chances are if they are still in business you will get your new het, now worth about 100 bucks, and your back to square one with a new baby. Its the time you lose in hets, its a gamble. So if your going the Het route try and buy from reputable people and maybe do a little praying to the snake gods before you settle on one. Just MHO

I understand your point, and this was one of my reasons for what you should get for the effort that was put into a female. I understand that some hets after getting up to size wouldn't be worth giving back just for a hatchling, and if the first one didn't prove out, what's your chances on the second one proving out with the same breeder?
but what about hets like a ultramel female that goes for 2,000 or worse how about a toffee or het toffee? I'm sure that with a snake that carries this much value, the guarantee details should be all up front and spelled out.

[Slashrocks01]

BTW, I only guarantee if they are breeding the het to a visual.

i agree one hundred percent if the buyer hasnt bred the het to a visual i dont think they should be able to claim that the snake is not a het. just my

[wax32]

If the female was the visual ALL the babies will be 100% hets no matter who bred her that year or the previous year.

This is why its not wise breeding het female to visual males unless the female is a virgin.

Rich, that is a really good point!

I have a couple of het girls plus one visual. Once they get to breeding I don't think I will label any non-visuals from the het girls as het at all. Except that first year when they are virgins. The non-visual babies from the visual girl I'll label as hets since they will be 100%.

I guess the only other thing to do is ONLY breed your het girls to matching visual males. That way no chance of cross contamination of retained sperm.