"Shout from the highest mountain top"...your charities/good causes

[dsirkle]

Wow where is this comming from. Sorry I didn't comment on this sooner but I see it now and I I have to. Just a little before that passage we see this passage.

Matthew 5:14-16

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So which is it. Should we let our good works glorify our father or should we hide them.

The difference is leading by example vs being a braggart.

[j_h_smith]

while on the subject can i ask *serious question* the snake with adam and eve is it God or the devil lol

Actually the serpent mentioned in the Garden of Eden was not a snake UNTIL it was condemned by God to crawl on it's belly forever. I won't go into detail, but it clearly explains what the serpent was and what it was transformed into.

I think if we want to talk about this much more, maybe we should take it to QT.

Jim Smith

[wilomn]

Hey Jim, buddy, pal, enemy of my enemies had I any to enomize, cool out a little.

Just because someone disagrees with you, or seems to not think exactly as you do, is not really a good reason to get all snippy UNLESS you're a whiny little guppy, which, even though you may not know it, I don't, as of now, think you are.

If you can learn to use your ......emotional and no doubt serious though misread posts in a calmer manner, one given more than two seconds of thought before pounding out a response, you will be a much better, higher skilled player, as it were, in this game of ours.

I know you mean what you say and believe that you are on the ONLY true path, and for you that's cool and hopefully true, but it's not for everyone and they're not wrong for not being on it. I think that even though you think you're ok with that, you're harboring some doubts.

Lighten up a bit and you'll have more fun.

If you care to take some unasked for and more than likely unwanted, advice.

[wilomn]

The difference is leading by example vs being a braggart.

Soooooooo, Skip and The Guppy then?

[Egapal]

Are you kidding mer? You asked a question about the verses in question. Check out the bold text in your original message. I gave you an answer to your question and you think I'm presumptuous? I wonder why you didn't go off on Judy like this? Makes me wonder.

What did you expect? You asked what the difference was, not me. I gave you the answer and you think I'm wrong for telling you the difference.

My question was rhetorical. Even if it wasn't you didn't choose from the two options you picked a third. Thats not answer the question thats taking the oppertunity to tell me how to interpret something.

As to your last question, if you really want an answer, yes. I do not believe it is right for you to brag about what you do in this world.

Although I did not expect an answer at least this is one to my question. Follow up question, what constitutes bragging and why is talking about your good deeds when asked to do so, bragging.

BTW, where did you receive your Doctorate in Religion?

Since when is a doctorate in religion necessary to discuss religion. Where is your doctorate from?

[wilomn]

My question was rhetorical. Even if it wasn't you didn't choose from the two options you picked a third. Thats not answer the question thats taking the oppertunity to tell me how to interpret something.



Although I did not expect an answer at least this is one to my question. Follow up question, what constitutes bragging and why is talking about your good deeds when asked to do so, bragging.



Since when is a doctorate in religion necessary to discuss religion. Where is your doctorate from?

Hey now, be nice to Ol' Jim. He's just learning the ins and outs of multiple responses.

I think he's doing quite well. Lots of promise in this one. Potential, you know?

[JLC]

Follow up question, what constitutes bragging and why is talking about your good deeds when asked to do so, bragging.

If I believe in what the Bible says about all of this...then it's not up to ME to determine someone's motivations for what they do. That is strictly between them and God. And if you don't believe in God, or don't believe in what the Bible says about all of this...then their motivation and the Biblical consequences of it are rather a moot point, wouldn't you say?

I don't have to decide if I think someone is bragging or working with a right heart. If you want to make that judgment call, then that is entirely up to you. Makes no nevermind to me.

[Egapal]

If I believe in what the Bible says about all of this...then it's not up to ME to determine someone's motivations for what they do. That is strictly between them and God. And if you don't believe in God, or don't believe in what the Bible says about all of this...then their motivation and the Biblical consequences of it are rather a moot point, wouldn't you say?

I don't have to decide if I think someone is bragging or working with a right heart. If you want to make that judgment call, then that is entirely up to you. Makes no nevermind to me.

Well and if you look at my original post that's my point. I think its wrong for someone to quote the bible as a reason not to talk about their good works. I believe in the bible in as much as I own one, its real. I don't believe its a moral guide inspired by a supernatural all powerful being or anything like that so I would have to say its all moot. My entire point is that its wrong to use a quote from a book to impose your will on another and especially so when a few sentences earlier in the same book it talks about how you should do the opposite and now we get down to arguing that its all about what a person is thinking at the time. Well fine, ok so its complicated but it wasn't so complicated a second ago when dsirkle said you shouldn't be talking about your good works and here is why. So to sum up, I don't accept the bible as a moral authority, I don't accept dsirkle's or Jim's interpretation of the book, even if I did I don't concede that anyone here is bragging as they are talking about things they did when asked to do so.

[JLC]

Well and if you look at my original post that's my point. I think its wrong for someone to quote the bible as a reason not to talk about their good works. I believe in the bible in as much as I own one, its real. I don't believe its a moral guide inspired by a supernatural all powerful being or anything like that so I would have to say its all moot. My entire point is that its wrong to use a quote from a book to impose your will on another and especially so when a few sentences earlier in the same book it talks about how you should do the opposite and now we get down to arguing that its all about what a person is thinking at the time. Well fine, ok so its complicated but it wasn't so complicated a second ago when dsirkle said you shouldn't be talking about your good works and here is why. So to sum up, I don't accept the bible as a moral authority, I don't accept dsirkle's or Jim's interpretation of the book, even if I did I don't concede that anyone here is bragging as they are talking about things they did when asked to do so.

I guess I don't see Dale's quote as "imposing his will on another." No more than I see YOUR statements here as "imposing your will" on me. It's just two different people expressing two different viewpoints about how life works. You publicly posted a question about the supposed discrepancy you saw in the Scriptures. I and others have answered that. Maybe Jim was a little more "in your face" with his response... I dunno why his set you off but mine didn't. But all it was was answering a question that you brought up. There really is no such thing as a rhetorical question on a public forum.

For what it's worth....while I DO agree with the moral stance of the Scripture that Dale quoted, that does NOT mean I think Neil or anyone else in this thread was "tooting their own horn" for the wrong reasons. As I said...that is between them and God...I'm just THRILLED to see people working for the betterment of our world, whether that be more towards helping people or helping animals or the environment, or whatever. We've ALL been given responsibility over the world we live in, whether you believe in the Bible or not.

[dembonez]

whats the difference between a war and people fighting about religion over the internet?



at some point in time the war will end!