Female Fire, $$ question.

[Russ Lawson]

russ, not trying to argue, but clarify...

i dont even know how to word this.

what i was saying is that mojo, lesser/butters, russo's, fires,

they all can produce BEL's in any mix of the bunch,

your odds differ from which mix u mix up....

but a mojave is not het. its a homozygote carrier. base morph who's super form is a white snake with black eyes.

i get what your saying, but its proven.

have you ever heard or seen a het.for mojo x het.for lesser cross to produce BEL's?

im sorry if i seem rude its just what i have gathered from what i have read, seen and expierienced.


and just read what you replied... i guess its technically het. leuc.

but if that was the case, wouldn't it be acurate to say that super pastel is the product of 2 hets?

Your odds don't change at all no matter which combination you use from the BEL complex (which fire is not a part of). Any BEL will yield all heterozygous offspring when bred to a normal. Just which hets those are depend solely on what cross made the BEL. And yes, mojave x lesser makes a BEL (it may look like different odds if two different mutations made it, but put into a punnet square it works essentially the same). This is because the mutations are two different alleles of the same gene. Typically combinations from the same complex like this will be visually similar to either homozygote. You don't seem rude, just a bit misunderstood. And yes, super pastel is absolutely a product of two hets - pastels are just visual hets.

[lilbit]

http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-fire-b...I_komGc%5D.cfm

pretty nice fire in this vid.

[stevenkeogh]

what i was saying is that mojo, lesser/butters, russo's, fires,

they all can produce BEL's in any mix of the bunch,

your odds differ from which mix u mix up....


have you ever heard or seen a het.for mojo x het.for lesser cross to produce BEL's?

First part of this quote: These base morphs do not produce Black/Blue-Eyed Leucistics in any mix.
Fire X Lesser will not produce a Leucistic animal.
Fire is separate from Lesser Platinum, Phantom, Mojave, Butter...
Fire and Sulphur are members of the Black-Eyed Leucistic complex where as the others are members of Blue-Eyed.

Next: The odds do not change. No matter which morphs you use, the odds remain the exact same as long as they are members of the same complex.

Last: There is no such thing as Het Lesser or Het Mojave as the base morphs are Heterozygous for the Blue-Eyed Leucistic.
But a Lesser X Mojave can definitely produce BlueEL.

-Steven

[Russ Lawson]

well thats for sure but what im trying to say is ( by the way all of this is very helpful and thanks! )

because they are visual, you dont really have to worry about it being het.
its like a given. isn't it?

i would worry about fires though... they really do confuse the heck outta more peeps than ud think... :-)

you dont have to prove out a visual pastel to prove it.
u get me?

The only reason he might have to "prove out" the fire female would be because he didn't seem certain of its genetics. Some mutations are more subtle than others, and can sometimes be confused with the wild-type or even different mutations (in this case vanilla or even specter) that look very similar. However, since it supposedly came from a fire parent and he received it as a fire, it is probably safe to say it is most likely a fire.

[sookieball]

Your odds don't change at all no matter which combination you use from the BEL complex (which fire is not a part of). Any BEL will yield all heterozygous offspring when bred to a normal. Just which hets those are depend solely on what cross made the BEL. And yes, mojave x lesser makes a BEL (it may look like different odds if two different mutations made it, but put into a punnet square it works essentially the same). This is because the mutations are two different alleles of the same gene. Typically combinations from the same complex like this will be visually similar to either homozygote. You don't seem rude, just a bit misunderstood. And yes, super pastel is absolutely a product of two hets - pastels are just visual hets.

GOD THANK YOU!

really im not good at being able to write or speak what i think. u know?
but from what i have seen, fires are in the mix of BEL's? people have posted pics and vid's of fire x fire pairing.... now i am baffled?

please if you would PM me id love it, just to pick your brain!

im sorry i love to learn....

[stevenkeogh]

The only reason he might have to "prove out" the fire female would be because he didn't seem certain of its genetics. Some mutations are more subtle than others, and can sometimes be confused with the wild-type or even different mutations (in this case vanilla or even specter) that look very similar. However, since it supposedly came from a fire parent and he received it as a fire, it is probably safe to say it is most likely a fire.

You're too quick for me Russ.
-Steven

[sookieball]

First part of this quote: These base morphs do not produce Black/Blue-Eyed Leucistics in any mix.
Fire X Lesser will not produce a Leucistic animal.
Fire is separate from Lesser Platinum, Phantom, Mojave, Butter...
Fire and Sulphur are members of the Black-Eyed Leucistic complex where as the others are members of Blue-Eyed.

Next: The odds do not change. No matter which morphs you use, the odds remain the exact same as long as they are members of the same complex.

Last: There is no such thing as Het Lesser or Het Mojave as the base morphs are Heterozygous for the Blue-Eyed Leucistic.
But a Lesser X Mojave can definitely produce BlueEL.

-Steven

lol thank you! i just asked russ to tell me about the fire part! your better with words than i am... deffinately.

but thats what i ment,

[Russ Lawson]

GOD THANK YOU!

really im not good at being able to write or speak what i think. u know?
but from what i have seen, fires are in the mix of BEL's? people have posted pics and vid's of fire x fire pairing.... now i am baffled?

please if you would PM me id love it, just to pick your brain!

im sorry i love to learn....

The homozygous form of fire is the black-eyed leucistic - a white snake, often with yellow patches along the spine, that has black eyes with red pupils. You could include sulfurs and lemonbacks in a complex (or potentially as the same mutation depending on who you talk to) with fires, but this is completely separate of the blue-eyed leucistic complex, as these mutations are of another gene.

[EmberBall]

If your snake did not come from a proven line of Het Black Eyed Lucy, then it is just a nice light normal until you prove it to be something else. As is, your snake is probably worth $300 or so, as a dinker and a big female-assuming it is a female. If I was you, I would buy a male Het Black Eyed Lucy and prove her out one way or the other. Then, when you sell her, you know what to ask. If you sell her as a Fire, and you ask Fire money, and she proves out to be a normal, you are going to have some issues on your hands. Sell her as a dinker for $300 or keep her and prove her out.

Dave

[MitsuMike]

I really don't think the snake you have pictured is a Fire........