Female Fire, $$ question.

[sookieball]

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

anywho

for that size fire... yeah 2k. maybe 1800$$ but dont lose-out on a profitable animal.

[Russ Lawson]

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

Umm, not really sure what you're trying to say with the above, but there most certainly is such a thing as heterozygous leucistic; however, I'm going to guess you were trying to get at something along the lines of there not being(at least yet) such a thing as a ball python with the wild-type phenotype that is heterozygous leucistic. Fire is equivalent to heterozygous black-eyed leucistic, just as yellowbelly is equivalent to heterozygous ivory. The blue-eyed leucistic complex is a bit less cut-and-dry, but it's pretty safe to say that of them at least butters/lessers are equivalent to heterozygous blue-eyed leucistic. These are facts, and have nothing at all to do with selective breeding. The mutations just have visually different phenotypes than the wild-type in both the heterozygote and the homozygote, with the homozygote being "more extreme" - essentially the definition of incomplete dominance.

[Russ Lawson]

Oh, and my advice to the OP would be to keep the girl and pair her with one of his dominant or incomplete dominant males. Adult female morphs are invaluable, and unless you really need the cash there is no reason to sell her. It's hard to tell from the lighting in the pictures if she's a fire or a light normal though. If the trade was for a fire, and if she is that different from her normal sibs, it's probably safe to call her a fire; though it wouldn't hurt to find out where the previous owner's breeding stock came from if possible. Also, as others have said, $2k is probably about right for a breed-able female fire if you do choose to sell her.

[stevenkeogh]

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's

so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds.

Don't go passing along incorrect information if you have no idea about what you are talking about.
Fire is heterozygous for Black-Eyed Leucistic.

Yellow Bellies are heterozygous Ivory and let's correct your pairing.
Yellow Belly X Yellow Belly = 25% chance Ivory aka Super YB aka Homozygous Ivory
25% chance Normal
50% chance Yellow Belly aka Heterozygous Ivory

-Steven

[mainbutter]

well for one thing.. there is no such thing as het lucy....

fire, russo, mojo, lesser/butter/... they aren't het for BEL's

they just produce them.. its their super.. dont listen to someone say oh they are het for ivory..
yellowbelly x yellowbelly = super yellowbellies (ivory) and yellowbelly's
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so a fire is not het for BEL's
its just a product of selective breeding. no het required like pieds...

Please don't take offense at this, but..

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. What you said is the EXACT opposite of 'correct'.. lol.

Heterozygous does NOT mean 'looks normal but carries a recessive trait'.

A diploid organism is heterzygous at a locus if it carries only one copy of a particular allele.. in this case, the fire is simply the heterozygous expression of the allele that causes black-eyed leucies in the homozygous expression of the trait.

So yes, patels are hets. Super pastels are homozygotes. Yellowbellies are heterozygotes. Ivories are homozygotes.

[snakesRkewl]

Good catch
genetics 101 is a rough topic for some

[stevenkeogh]

Good catch
genetics 101 is a rough topic for some

Read the thread.
It's been covered already.

-Steven