Bee w/ wobble

[DemmBalls]

Well...after having our little 2010 female Bee for about 2 months now, I held her last night and she has a pretty serious wobble! This is incredibly depressing being that we have always wanted a Bee, finally bought one with no visual signs of having a wobble, but now she has it bad. How could it have come on this fast and strong with no warnings??? Could she possibly grow out of it as she has grown into it?

My next question may be controversial. Can/would you breed her? I have heard of people breeding Bees/Spiders with a wobble that poduce visually wobble free offspring and vice versa. What do I do??!!

please let me know what you think!

Thanks,

[xdeus]

I'm very sorry to hear about your snake. Unfortunately this is why I don't like the Spider morph and I will never have one in my collection.

As far as whether you should breed her or not, I believe that is a decision you must make. It's common knowledge that most if not all Spiders and Spider morphs exhibit some degree of wobble, but people are breeding them all the time. Even though it is your decision, if you do decide to breed her hopefully you will make any of your customers aware of this condition before selling them.

[DemmBalls]

I'm very sorry to hear about your snake. Unfortunately this is why I don't like the Spider morph and I will never have one in my collection.

As far as whether you should breed her or not, I believe that is a decision you must make. It's common knowledge that most if not all Spiders and Spider morphs exhibit some degree of wobble, but people are breeding them all the time. Even though it is your decision, if you do decide to breed her hopefully you will make any of your customers aware of this condition before selling them.

Were are just heart broken over this! We shopped so hard to avoid this disorder (at least to this severity). Being that she is only a 2010...breeding her is not something we need to worry about any time soon, but I want to hear everyones views and opinions before we cross that bridge. If I did breed her...I would certainly notify the buyers.

Thanks for your opinion.

[J.Vandegrift]

They ALL wobble. There is no more reason now for you to not breed your snake
than there was before you noticed the wobble. If you don't want to have/breed snakes that wobble your only choice is to not work with spiders.


When you say "a pretty serious wobble" what do you mean? I have seen some before that sit with there head upside down almost 24hrs a day and some that literally roll around in the tub. Is yours that bad?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Spiders and their combos do wobble/spin which is why some people chose not to work with them.

Now they all wobble to a certain degree it can be extreme to very light (making people say or think theirs does not wobble/spin)

It can be very obvious from day 1 and slightly get to the point to where it is hardly noticeable but the opposite can be true too going from hardly noticeable to very obvious.

Things such as excitement and stress can accentuate the behavior.
Your be wobble might be more noticeable at time it might gradually be less noticeable as she get older, there is no guarantee a way or another.

Now as far as breeding animal exhibiting very slight (unnoticeable) wobble have been known to produce train wrecks and vice versa.

Ultimately the choice is YOURS and I believe anyone thinking about getting a spider or one of its combo should do some research and know what to expect and then decide whether they want to work with them or not.

Spiders and their combos are just not for everyone.

[DemmBalls]

Thanks guys/gals for your input

I would say her wobble is serious, but I would not call her a "train wreck". She sits with her head slightly cocked to one side (noticeably different than before) and sort of 'cork screws' when she moves and climbs. It's worse than any I have personally seen before.

[DemmBalls]

I have seen some before that sit with there head upside down almost 24hrs a day and some that literally roll around in the tub. Is yours that bad?

Did these animals feed okay? How will this impact her feeding response? I have not offered food since this discovery.

[ed4281]

Most spiders eat just fine even with a train wreck wobble, most likely what you are seeing is brought on by stress. If I read correctly you have had this snake for 2 months and not handled very often, she probably just got a little nervous and got to spinning. Mine seems to do this too, she didn't wobble at all according to the breeder (who is a friend, he wasn’t trying to just make a sale) when I got her home she stated to spin in her cage. I have found that if I pick her up and point her to her hide she will stop, crawl in and relax. I have noticed that her wobble is actually worse when she is actively looking for food.

As for breeding I understand that it is different to see the wobble in person, rather than just reading about it. It does not seem that the severity of the spider parents wobble dictates the severity of the off- springs wobble. I wouldn’t worry about it, just make sure you only sell to people who know about and understand this issue.

[DemmBalls]

Most spiders eat just fine even with a train wreck wobble, most likely what you are seeing is brought on by stress. If I read correctly you have had this snake for 2 months and not handled very often, she probably just got a little nervous and got to spinning. Mine seems to do this too, she didn't wobble at all according to the breeder (who is a friend, he wasn’t trying to just make a sale) when I got her home she stated to spin in her cage. I have found that if I pick her up and point her to her hide she will stop, crawl in and relax. I have noticed that her wobble is actually worse when she is actively looking for food.

As for breeding I understand that it is different to see the wobble in person, rather than just reading about it. It does not seem that the severity of the spider parents wobble dictates the severity of the off- springs wobble. I wouldn’t worry about it, just make sure you only sell to people who know about and understand this issue.

Unfortunately this isn't the case. I rarely handle her as she is a 'troubled feeder' and I have been trying to fight this battle as well. However...I periodically will check in on her (without disturbing her) and I will find her climbing around cork screwing and rolling her head/neck upside down. When she finally makes it back to her hide...she will lay her head down (slightly cocked), but otherwise in a normal position.

Does anyone know if temp changes or other climatic changes can affect this? I have heard that stress can bring this on, but the only changes that could be stressing her are the seasonal weather changes or a similar atmospheric condition? Everything else has been unchanged.

My biggest worry is that she has already been difficult to get feeding...I hope this doesn't impede any progress we may have made?

[A.VinczeBPs]

All spiders have wobbles. Now, only some have it bad.
But there are some circumstances that make the wobble appear more, and more severe that will go away once they're fixed.

1. Stress, they wobble a lot more when stressed (if it's bad, it gets worse, if not noticeable, you start to see it a little)

2. Feeding, sometimes can bring out the wobble in a spider morph.

3. Drop in temperature. Was it on the cold side when you picked him up? If so, how cold is it? This could also mix with stress making it appear all at once when no wobble was seen before.

If one of those things went towards the problem, then once the cause is gone (warm, in the tub, done eating) symptoms should go back to the norm.

Unfortunately, you'll never find a wobble free spider, ever, so either try not to be heart broken (You can still love the little guy/girl!) or stay away from the morph.