Cat vs. Ball Python = Cat Won

[Kyle@theHeathertoft]

If it was my snake I'd be headed to the vet right now...not making an appointment. This, I think, would qualify as an emergency?

...beat me to it. But yes, this is my thinking.

Imagine if it was a mammal. When my puppy broke her left front leg, I didn't CARE that it was a holiday weekend and it'd be three days until my vet could see her. I insisted he see her immediately, she was in pain and needed treatment...and when he refused (the advice he gave was to shut her in her dog carrier for three days until he could see her, wtf!!!) I drove to the next city over to take her to a 24/7 emergency veterinary clinic. Paid through the nose but you can't put a price on having a sick or injured animal treated post haste!

[Evilme5229]

Call it whatever you want...it was preventable. How about your friend take a little responsibility in his actions, or inactions??? If it was my snake I'd be headed to the vet right now...not making an appointment. This, I think, would qualify as an emergency?

Wow, I guess I didn't make it clear enough for someone that needs straight words.

YOUR ADVICE. SCRATCH THAT....NON ADVICE IS NOT NEEDED. GO HARRASS SOMEONE THAT NEEDS USELESS BABBLE. BUT I DONT.

Maybe that was clear enough. If not that someone needs to help you get the point that I have relayed.

Its not my snake and nor would I treat my friend with such insensitivity and saracasim. I am thankful for the people that provided some sensitivity on the subject, since I did not intend to post something for me (not even the owner) to be barked at with bs.

[Evilme5229]

BTW, why ask others to share stories of escape and harm? Why not simply ask what if anything might help?

Stories and outcomes. Its easier to gauge. I gave him the number to my herp vet. Its the best I can do because its not my snake. I gave him the number to my distributor that had something similar happen but not with a cat. I'm simply just gathering more information than what I found on the internet.

Advise is the obvious one I'm looking for beyond the obvious. "vet" "hes neglectful" "he needs to assume responsibility."

These are obviously things and hes already upset and flipping out. No need to kick a man when hes already down.

[Animals As Leaders]

Call it whatever you want...it was preventable. How about your friend take a little responsibility in his actions, or inactions??? If it was my snake I'd be headed to the vet right now...not making an appointment. This, I think, would qualify as an emergency?

Gimme a break. Things happen, and you have no idea if it was an honest mistake. Maybe you should take a chill pill and stop being so negative. I love how this site RIGHT ONE THE VERY TOP says "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs!" But is pretty far from it I say....Keep comments like this to yourself. When I read these it makes me really wonder about this site and how "friendly" it really is. He was asking for advice, not for your lame opinion on how his friend is incompetent. Sounds like you are being that you can't read HUGE font in posts.

[Evilme5229]

Gimme a break. Things happen, and you have no idea if it was an honest mistake. Maybe you should take a chill pill and stop being so negative. I love how this site RIGHT ONE THE VERY TOP says "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs!" But is pretty far from it I say....Keep comments like this to yourself. When I read these it makes me really wonder about this site and how "friendly" it really is. He was asking for advice, not for your lame opinion on how his friend is incompetent. Sounds like you are being that you can't read HUGE font in posts.

Breath of fresh air. Finally someone that gets what I was looking for. :-) BTW I'm a girl

[sho220]

Gimme a break. Things happen, and you have no idea if it was an honest mistake. Maybe you should take a chill pill and stop being so negative. I love how this site RIGHT ONE THE VERY TOP says "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs!" But is pretty far from it I say....Keep comments like this to yourself. When I read these it makes me really wonder about this site and how "friendly" it really is. He was asking for advice, not for your lame opinion on how his friend is incompetent. Sounds like you are being that you can't read HUGE font in posts.

Just asking for someone to take responsibility...didn't realize I was asking too much...

I'm out...

[stratus_020202]

Wow. This site is wonderful, and extremely friendly. They have helped a lot of people with a lot of problems. Some are herp related, and others aren't. But yes, they will tell you when you did something stupid. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with it. Yes, we all make mistakes, but it's the good friends who tell us when we are wrong.

And, it's really hard to offer advise on a bp who has been hurt. If you do a search, almost every single post with a hurt bp advises a vet visit. And, I really wouldn't trust anyone who offered a quick fix on something they haven't even seen.

[Evilme5229]

Just asking for someone to take responsibility...didn't realize I was asking too much...

I'm out...

Responsibility is not on me. Unless that you want me to accept responsibility of posting the story in hopes of getting some advice and knowing if this has happened to anyone else. But interesting enough you can't provide what decent and above the norm. advice you provided. Its asking too much for someone to accept responsibility when its not their snake and their mistake.

I like how you expect me to assume responsiblity here; since I clearly stated it wasn't my snake.

Responsibility seems more important to you than advise what to do. You should think about that, snake or responsibility and weigh that morally. I'm doing what I can as friend. I was hoping to give my already scared and upset friend some useful advise than: Take it to the vet and bash him for his mistake.

[JLC]

This response is to all three individuals quoted here, as well as to everyone reading.

I do not know how the snake got out, so please do not start a big debate on it. I'm just asking for advice on how to treat and other similar stories. Thank you.

Evilme -- While I completely understand your sentiment, unfortunately, when you come onto a public site like this and ask questions, people are going to comment as they wish. You can't control the responses you will get...the best you can do is sort through them and pick out the nuggets of gold that you need and ignore the rest.

Sorry to come off harsh about your friend, but a part of being big boys and girls is the ability to accept blame for when we screw up and learn from it. Putting on the blinders and calling this just an accident is wrong...and will just lead to more "accidents'...these animals rely on us, and us alone. It wasn't the cats fault and it wasn't the snakes fault...who is left?

Sho -- your responses have been completely unreasonable. I know you have the right to express your opinion in a thread like this...but this is me expressing my opinion as well. How do you KNOW her friend hasn't accepted responsibility for her actions? How do you know the person doesn't feel horrible and has already taken steps to make sure this doesn't happen again in the future? There's simply no point and no positive benefit to being so critical and nasty this way.

When I read these it makes me really wonder about this site and how "friendly" it really is.

Animals -- With so many thousands of members participating, we're bound to get personalities that clash and that are abrasive. We can't control people and we can't force everyone to "be nice"....but we DO enforce our rules as consistently and fairly as possible and work our butts off doing so. And if you take the site as a whole, given its size and how much information and help everyone is willing to share with anyone who needs it and how much compassion MOST people have for those in need.....I believe we live up to our reputation pretty darned well.

Everyone -- I don't believe Evilme was asking for stories of incompetence. I believe she was asking for stories of folks who had had an injured snake that survived. She's looking for encouragement in a difficult situation. Why not offer some?

[Evilme5229]

But yes, they will tell you when you did something stupid. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with it. Yes, we all make mistakes, but it's the good friends who tell us when we are wrong.

It is wrong when I'm not the owner.

It is wrong when I'm searching for advise for him. Not the obvious that what happened could have been preventable or that it shouldn't happen. I have plenty of bps myself, I got tons of experience and know what happened was wrong. I do not know about what happens when a snake is bitten by a cat.

Should I start beating in his head its his fault at this particular moment? HELL NO! Should I be a friend and start researching information? YES.

Did I expect people to be insensitive? Yes, hence why I put it part of the post. Did I expect some insensitive person to offer useless advise? Theres a chance theres someone out there with nothing else better to do.

I have been apart of this site for quite some time too. I noticed that this site is more critisim at times than advise. I know one post in particular that I came across with in regards to breeding. PPL on there were mad harsh to a girl and it wasn't her fault that the snake got gravid; since she rescued the animals and did not know the prior arrangements of how they were kept. The the snake was gravid when it was given to her.

People on here need to understand that advise before bashing is always the best policy. Half the time the person is probably already kicking themselves for whatever happened.