spider x spider

[Steveoo]

ok well than im going to breed to spiders het axanthic this up coming breeding season and see what happens if nothing else ill waist one clutch of eggs. im not making my living from it so i dont mind =]

[brian abrams]

Just jumping on the bandwagon. If you breed spider x spider, then you only have a chance of getting spiders out of the clutch (as opposed to spider-pastel (bees), spider-cinny's, spinner's, etc). Also, as already mentioned, further inbreeding of the spider gene, besides being potentially "fatal", may increase the likelihood of the wobbles. That's why most breeders breed spiders to other co-doms, recessives, etc. BTW, the Axanthic spider IS killer!

[Kyle@theHeathertoft]

BTW, the Axanthic spider IS killer!

See I just don't know what I should try to breed my Spider to when she's big enough...my Mojave? My Cinny? My Pastel? Maybe toss in all three and let it be a suprise? I do love the Spider patterning, and the wobble doesn't intimidate me.

[Steveoo]

now see i have a 2 normal het axanthic females one spider het axanthic and one normal male axanthic and one female het axanthic. but wouldnt you think my chances of getting the axanthic spider would be highest breeding spider to spider?

[OhhWatALoser]

now see i have a 2 normal het axanthic females one spider het axanthic and one normal male axanthic and one female het axanthic. but wouldnt you think my chances of getting the axanthic spider would be highest breeding spider to spider?

I only count one spider?

but your answer is we can't answer that for reasons above, honestly if what your shooting for is axanthic spider, breed a spider het to an axanthic, that gives you a 25% chance for spider axanthic. 12.5% if you breed a spider het to a het. keeps it simple.

tho if you do end up with some sort of spiderxspider pairing, please post as much detailed info as possible.

[RandyRemington]

Never met TSK in person and can't really say I know them but they seem genuinely concerned with adding the ball python knowledge base so thinking it will be ok to share results from a few e-mails with Colette on this subject over the years.

In 2007 they produced 8 eggs from spider X spider and the two smallest eggs didn't hatch. Colette didn't mention the spider to normal ratio of the six hatchlings from 2007 but did say all the spiders where female so haven't bred yet.

In 2008 they produced 6 good eggs and one slug from spider X spider and hatched 1.4 spiders and a normal. The male wasn't bred yet for this year.

So, no breedings yet to test the possible homozygous spiders. Out of 15 eggs 3 didn't hatch but not sure if the slug should be counted or not. Did the other two eggs not hatch because they where small or where the small and didn't hatch because they where homozygous spiders?

NERD reported years ago that "enough" breedings had been done to prove that there wasn't a different looking homozygous spider but didn't quantify.

[JayCee]

To believe you can get a homozygous spider from a spider X spider pairing you have to assume:

A) It's a grand conspiracy by a handful of ball python breeders to deny the existence of their homozygous spiders.

or

B) None have ever been produced from any of the spider x spider pairings (just a matter of bad luck)

or

C) There are homozygous spiders that were produced but have never been bred so no one knows they are homozygous spiders.

[JD'S Exotics]

Ok this is just a question to throw out there and I am by no means a geneticist. But could it be that the homozygous form has no different look at all it just caries both the spider alleles? or traits so that when bred back to a normal would still produce all spiders? Let say normal spider is Sa so homo form would be SS and then the punnett would work out as all having one normal carrier and 1 spider carrier as the homo form would no longer have a normal carrier?

[OhhWatALoser]

Just jumping on the bandwagon. If you breed spider x spider, then you only have a chance of getting spiders out of the clutch (as opposed to spider-pastel (bees), spider-cinny's, spinner's, etc). Also, as already mentioned, further inbreeding of the spider gene, besides being potentially "fatal", may increase the likelihood of the wobbles. That's why most breeders breed spiders to other co-doms, recessives, etc. BTW, the Axanthic spider IS killer!

rumors or just untrue

there is not one speck of evidence that spiderxspider will have any effect on the wobble. tho there is that its random the degree of wobble they get.

breeders breed spiders to other codom recessives ect... aka other morphs because thats what we do in the designer ball python world, I could say the same thing for every other morph out there. they don't do plain spiderxspider because there appears to be no super form, so there is nothing to gain.