need bp care sheet/supply list

[hunter94]

thanks that helps alot! do u know how much all that is at petsmart? (except the snake of coarse)

Everything but the Acurite Thermometer/Hygrometer. And they might not have the Thermostat. I would suggest Adding everything on the list I gave you in the cart here http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptile-supplies/ and then compare prices to see what would be cheaper.

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Ha, probably should of added that information myself. =p

[sarahlovesmiike]

Please don't buy anything from LLLReptile, they have no morals apparently. A few of the members here have bought animals only to have them never eat and die shortly after getting them.

[hunter94]

Please don't buy anything from LLLReptile, they have no morals apparently. A few of the members here have bought animals only to have them never eat and die shortly after getting them.

I mentioned that in my post on the other page. I just wouldn't buy animals there, I don't see why not buy supply's?

[sarahlovesmiike]

I mentioned that in my post on the other page. I just wouldn't buy animals there, I don't see why not buy supply's?

Why support a business that is selling unhealthy animals? I would advise anyone not to buy ANYTHING from them, just like I would advise anyone to not buy from our local petco. We should only support businesses that care about the sake of their animals and the people they are selling to.


There are plenty of other sites to buy from. BigAppleHerp.com and ReptileBasics.com are good places to start.

[hunter94]

Why support a business that is selling unhealthy animals? I would advise anyone not to buy ANYTHING from them, just like I would advise anyone to not buy from our local petco. We should only support businesses that care about the sake of their animals and the people they are selling to.


There are plenty of other sites to buy from. BigAppleHerp.com and ReptileBasics.com are good places to start.

Alright, that makes sense.

[stevepoppers]

Hunter I think you ought to get some reedumacation on setup. Do you realize you recommended FOUR thermometers and putting tape in the enclosure, along with a plethora of unnecessary stuff, assumedly based on misinformation?

To keep it simple, cheap, and easy to take care of, I'd just use (for a hatchling) a shoebox sized tub, a used buttercup with an entrance cut as a hide, and paper or paper towels for substrate. Then a little Flexwatt for heating because it's SO much cheaper than a UTH. This inexpensive digital thermostat. And the Accurite unit w/probe. Also some small water bowl that is hopefully difficult to tip. I'm using an ashtray right now.

[hunter94]

Hunter I think you ought to get some reedumacation on setup. Do you realize you recommended FOUR thermometers and putting tape in the enclosure, along with a plethora of unnecessary stuff, assumedly based on misinformation?

To keep it simple, cheap, and easy to take care of, I'd just use (for a hatchling) a shoebox sized tub, a used buttercup with an entrance cut as a hide, and paper or paper towels for substrate. Then a little Flexwatt for heating because it's SO much cheaper than a UTH. This inexpensive digital thermostat. And the Accurite unit w/probe. Also some small water bowl that is hopefully difficult to tip. I'm using an ashtray right now.

I didn't really recommend 4 thermometers and I like to be safer then being sorry. 3 Thermometers is better then 1 and if its done correctly it wont bother the snake. A matter of fact my snake likes the mounted Acurite Thermometer/Hygrometer I have he likes to climb it sometimes. Yes, their are ways to keep it simple and cost effective but I would rather have a nice looking cage that my snake likes other then a bin with a water dish and a hide. I would only do that if I had over 3 snakes and only because the amount of space it would take up. Also flexwatt is really only good for bins because glass tanks have gaps so you can't stick it to the glass with out aluminum tape which can be pretty pricey. But flexwatt is perfect for racks,bins or rack like systems. Not trying to bash you or the items you recommend. But there wasn't any necessary reason for you to get "snotty" with me.

[stevepoppers]

The AccuRite is a 2-in-1. Tape is a hazard. Ball pythons are more likely to thrive in a small, cramped environment. You can stick a section of Flexwatt onto the bottom of a tank the same way you would a UTH pad. It's recommended that you don't use the sticky part of the UTH to attach it anyway, because if you ever have to remove it, you're very likely to damage it in the process. Bending them damages them, causing them to short out and have hotspots etc. It's better to leave the sticky along and use foil tape anyway. Ball pythons don't need to soak and normally don't, so a water dish big enough to accomodate that is not necessary. The lamp is only needed if your ambient temperatures aren't high enough, which is yet to be seen. The thermostat probe is recommended to go between the UTH and the tank, not on the outside. TAPE SHOULD NOT BE USED IN AN ENCLOSURE. You don't need several inches of aspen and it's probably not a good idea to have so much because of it's insulating effect. On top it will be cooler, but underneath it will be too hot. Two hides are recommended, especially if you're putting a baby in a 10gal glass tank. WHY ON EARTH would you pull the probe out of the AccuRite? The very idea is ASININE! And if you add plants, they ought to be fake with any metal parts removed. The moisture and soil involved in real plants is a breeding ground for bacteria, increasing your chances for a respiratory infection or scale rot.

So there are all the unnecessary and ill-advised parts of your posts and setup. I'm sorry for my attitude, but you are wrong and there's why. Feel free to explain what is wrong with my advice.

[hunter94]

The AccuRite is a 2-in-1. Tape is a hazard. Ball pythons are more likely to thrive in a small, cramped environment. You can stick a section of Flexwatt onto the bottom of a tank the same way you would a UTH pad. It's recommended that you don't use the sticky part of the UTH to attach it anyway, because if you ever have to remove it, you're very likely to damage it in the process. Bending them damages them, causing them to short out and have hotspots etc. It's better to leave the sticky along and use foil tape anyway. Ball pythons don't need to soak and normally don't, so a water dish big enough to accomodate that is not necessary. The lamp is only needed if your ambient temperatures aren't high enough, which is yet to be seen. The thermostat probe is recommended to go between the UTH and the tank, not on the outside. TAPE SHOULD NOT BE USED IN AN ENCLOSURE. You don't need several inches of aspen and it's probably not a good idea to have so much because of it's insulating effect. On top it will be cooler, but underneath it will be too hot. Two hides are recommended, especially if you're putting a baby in a 10gal glass tank. WHY ON EARTH would you pull the probe out of the AccuRite? The very idea is ASININE! And if you add plants, they ought to be fake with any metal parts removed. The moisture and soil involved in real plants is a breeding ground for bacteria, increasing your chances for a respiratory infection or scale rot.

So there are all the unnecessary and ill-advised parts of your posts and setup. I'm sorry for my attitude, but you are wrong and there's why. Feel free to explain what is wrong with my advice.

Yes, I agree it is a 2-1. First of all if you don't have the money to replace a 10 Gal Tank you should not be getting a Ball Python. Second the only reason why I personally would pull the probe wire out is because I could easily solder the wire back on if needed which there is probably a 99.9 percent chance it wont be. Another thing is I never recommended live plants, any one would now I meant fake. And yes, I'm not retarded and 100% aware of what can happen if real plants are involved in a snakes cage. Tape is fine in an enclosure unless your snake is retarded enough to eat it. A matter of fact pretty much the way I have my tank setup is the way Ralph Davis set up a friend of his kids BP tank, so maybe you should give him a message and tell him how wrong he is setting up his friends kids cage.

[stevepoppers]

What about money to replace a 10gal? You're using two other probed thermometers, why not just use the probe in the AccuRite? Or, why even buy the AccuRite if you're going to rip the probe off? Just buy one without a probe! TAPE I have the same misgivings about that Ralph Davis setup, and I have asked about it in the comments to that video and there was no response. Many others have done the same. He didn't even have a thermostat! My guess is he's unaware of the danger posed by the UTHs.