Business ethics question

[maverickgtr]

Glad my tuition is helping someone lol

I would tell the seller that the female they sold me laid eggs and that after they hatch they can have a couple if they would like. That's just me. I'd feel terrible if I even tried to hide it for a minute after I found out.

[wilomn]

I'm wondering, as I do from time to time, just how widespread this willingness to disclose a windfall really is.

Do you guys return wrongly given change?

Most of us are drivethru veterans. What happens when the mistake is IN your favor? Do you go back?

If you don't return the extra change and you don't go tell them they gave you 3 extra burgers, why?

Why be so all over the place about being public if you purchase a snake that you later find to be gravid?

Is it overwhelming altruism or is the real basis a tad closer to home, something that could happen to anyone of us who puts 2 snakes together?

Could it be, and I really don't mean to single out anyone or point any fingers or anything of that nature, but could it be, the reason that so many have said they, "could not" (of which I am HIGHLY skeptical when push comes to shove, again, just human nature not anyone in particular) keep what they had in fact legitimately purchased, be because if it happened to them, if they were out, had lost, did not benefit from, reap the harvest of, they would want something to sooth the feeling of missing out or loss that seeing someone else benefit by only being a well timed purchase but not having done any of the work to get the babies.

I wonder if deep down that doesn't have a lot to do with things.

For me, depending on who the seller was and how I felt about them, I could easily keep all the babies. I could also just as easily give them all away, but maybe not any to the seller. But all this "couldn't" keep them, well, it may be my lack, but "couldn't" isn't part of my equation on what to do in this scenario.

[WingedWolfPsion]

I would return extra change if I discover it before I completely leave, or it's a larger amount.
As for the extra burger, I keep that. They can't resell it, they would just have to throw it away anyhow, you know. Besides, they have shorted me so many times, I would consider it my due. lol

However, that's a completely different situation. The seller knew it was a female animal which is potentially capable of producing offspring every year. They KNEW that they paired her up. If they were not willing to wait to make sure that she wasn't gravid--absolutely sure--before they sold her, then of course they knew that they might be selling a gravid animal. I don't see this as any different from your buying a female that ISN'T gravid, and then breeding it and winding up with offspring just a few months later. In fact, maybe you had plans for that female, sold as being not gravid, and now they were interfered with because she turned out to be gravid. Now you can't pair her with YOUR male.

They sold a female that they had paired up with their male. They're giving you the result along with her, and they KNOW that. I wouldn't feel guilty over receiving the animal and getting offspring from it. Obviously they wanted to sell her...if they wanted her offspring, they wouldn't have sold her.

It's not ALL roses for the buyer. What if the buyer was planning to pair the female with a high-end animal, and instead it lays eggs sired by the seller's low-end animal? They've lost out on the potential from her for that season, and the clutch they do get is only a minor compensation for it.

So, to simply things--really, the animal and anything it produces belongs to the buyer, free and clear, without obligation, and certainly without guilt.

[maverickgtr]

I could keep the babies if I didn't like the breeder. But it sounds to me like the op likes the breeder at least a little and I tried to post what I would do in the op's situation. If I liked the breeder I would feel obligated by my own upbringing and whatnot to inform the seller. And I would at least offer them a baby or two depending on if I have the room, time and money for raising a clutch til they are big enough to sell, I might even offer up the whole clutch. I also put myself in the breeder's shoes. What if I sold a female I had tried breeding, but figured that maybe it didn't take or something? What if there was a mix up and I sold the wrong female? I'd at least want to know that she did have a clutch even if I didn't get anything from it. I'm just one of those curious people that likes to know just for the sake of knowing.

[Oxylepy]

I'd definitely tell the seller and split the clutch with them in picking teams fashion (as it seems to be the most fair way of doing things, from lending breeders to mutual investment).

[cinderbird]

I would return extra change if I discover it before I completely leave, or it's a larger amount.
As for the extra burger, I keep that. They can't resell it, they would just have to throw it away anyhow, you know. Besides, they have shorted me so many times, I would consider it my due. lol

However, that's a completely different situation. The seller knew it was a female animal which is potentially capable of producing offspring every year. They KNEW that they paired her up. If they were not willing to wait to make sure that she wasn't gravid--absolutely sure--before they sold her, then of course they knew that they might be selling a gravid animal. I don't see this as any different from your buying a female that ISN'T gravid, and then breeding it and winding up with offspring just a few months later. In fact, maybe you had plans for that female, sold as being not gravid, and now they were interfered with because she turned out to be gravid. Now you can't pair her with YOUR male.

They sold a female that they had paired up with their male. They're giving you the result along with her, and they KNOW that. I wouldn't feel guilty over receiving the animal and getting offspring from it. Obviously they wanted to sell her...if they wanted her offspring, they wouldn't have sold her.

It's not ALL roses for the buyer. What if the buyer was planning to pair the female with a high-end animal, and instead it lays eggs sired by the seller's low-end animal? They've lost out on the potential from her for that season, and the clutch they do get is only a minor compensation for it.

So, to simply things--really, the animal and anything it produces belongs to the buyer, free and clear, without obligation, and certainly without guilt.

This exactly.

I would happily inform the seller that the female gave a clutch, and let them know what hatches, and possibly a discount on any offspring they would purchase back, but "they" sold a female knowing all of the above. They knew the potential and sold it along with the female when she got to her new home.

[mdjudson]

This exactly.

I would happily inform the seller that the female gave a clutch, and let them know what hatches, and possibly a discount on any offspring they would purchase back, but "they" sold a female knowing all of the above. They knew the potential and sold it along with the female when she got to her new home.

Agreed

[WebbyD]

Under normal business law the buyer would keep the offspring. The buyer has no duty to inform the seller of the situation, and even if informed the seller has no rights to them.

It's no different than a guy who sells his family horse for $10,000 only to find out later that it is a rare breed and valued at over $1,000,000. He is at a loss for being ignorant of all the facts.

[Raptor]

Buyer keeps the goods. It's the seller's duty to make sure the female that's being sold isn't gravid, especially if they don't want to end up kicking themselves when the female produces a clutch that's the prize morph they were attempting to create..

[SlitherinSisters]

They all yours Steve To be honest, my opinion on this is that you should know if there is a chance of your snake being gravid and if you are willing to sell it rather than give her time to lay it's just too darn bad. I wouldn't offer to split the clutch or even give one baby up. If I sold a gravid female and was offered a baby I would refuse because those aren't my babies to take. The only exception I would make, would be with a friend.