Terry Cullen raided

[Sariel]

At this point till we hear more from Mr Cullen himself or the others directly involved I'd just like to offer my humble advice to those who choose to email Milwaukee's mayor. Alot of us have been sent enough letters to understand emotion and accusation get you no where even if you are in possession of all the facts. Please, please tread carefully with these letters because even as it looks suspicious and many people know and respect Mr Cullen we simply dont know right now. A bunch of angry letters from reptile enthusiasts could easily be turned to reflect poorly on us in this touchy situation.
Personally I'm going to wait to write anything to anyone untill I have more information on what actually happened.

[wilomn]

You know, that viperkeeper guy, is a load of crap.

He is no better than the guy who wanted to hang Terry from the get go. He has no facts, just more speculation.

There may or may not be charges coming, you notice he says "as far as we know, as far as is known," but makes no definitive statements.

He's also, instead of looking for reasons, fanning the flames over the dogs being killed. While that is a tragedy, it's not the main point of this confiscation.

I'll keep holding off on jumping on ANY bandwagon until there is something more than an email from someone saying something that no one can as yet verify.

Personally, if it were me, and that fat load of crap viperkeeper was vouching for me, I'd ask him to shut the heck up.

[wolfy-hound]

I hate to put it this way, because I would love to hear all charges were dropped.. but who is viperkeeper? Just some random guy on the internet? I admit, I didn't listen to his whole video, because frankly the long pauses were driving me batty and once he started about the "terrorist tactics" of the police serving the warrant, I quit listening. Right at the beginning when it shows him using a bare hand to open a venomous rack with a hot striking at him.. sorry! No watchy stupid hot keeper tricks!

Is he some authority? DId he quote a official source that we can confirm? If HE heard this from some official source, it should be available, right?

Wilomn, I'd rep point you, but I gotta spread some love first apparently. Agreed totally, I wouldn't want that guy on my side, just from the couple minutes I listened to.

[joepythons]

I hate to put it this way, because I would love to hear all charges were dropped.. but who is viperkeeper? Just some random guy on the internet? I admit, I didn't listen to his whole video, because frankly the long pauses were driving me batty and once he started about the "terrorist tactics" of the police serving the warrant, I quit listening. Right at the beginning when it shows him using a bare hand to open a venomous rack with a hot striking at him.. sorry! No watchy stupid hot keeper tricks!

Is he some authority? DId he quote a official source that we can confirm? If HE heard this from some official source, it should be available, right?

Wilomn, I'd rep point you, but I gotta spread some love first apparently. Agreed totally, I wouldn't want that guy on my side, just from the couple minutes I listened to.

He was quoteing a lady(forgot her name but its in the video) on info she sent him

[wolfy-hound]

So he was quoting a third party? Who's the third party? Is SHE official or was she talking from another third party(fourth party?)? Info sent to him? Is he an official PR guy for Cullen? Or did he get some email forwarded from some woman who might have written it or might have gotten it as a forward.. etc?

I'd want more definitive word before embarking on a potentially embarrassing email flood to an official who MIGHT be considering leniancy or stepping in to correct some wrongs, but would get irked over a bunch of angry letters of people telling him what he SHOULD or MUST do. Just me, though.

[wilomn]

Just me, though.

I think not my Lizardkeeping friend, I think not.

[Seru1]

I am a big fan of viperkeeper personally, I love his videos and he's actually very knowledgeable and responsible. Personally I don't see why you guys are bashing him. It's really not cool. No offense meant but he's a good guy I am sure your both cool to. No reason to flame a good guy like viperkeeper.


It's awful what happened to terry. I hope he and his animals are okay

[wilomn]

I am a big fan of viperkeeper personally, I love his videos and he's actually very knowledgeable and responsible. Personally I don't see why you guys are bashing him. It's really not cool. No offense meant but he's a good guy I am sure your both cool to. No reason to flame a good guy like viperkeeper.


It's awful what happened to terry. I hope he and his animals are okay

Actually, he's not.

This is not the place to go into it.

[wolfy-hound]

I don't know viperkeeper from Adam's housecat.. I just don't believe that any responsible hot keeper should START his videos with a great close up shot of him opening a hot bin with a bare hand so that the snake is striking at his bare hand. It's irresponsible. Other than that, I don't agree that police coming into a place to serve a warrant is "terrorist tactics" just because they were going after someone who keeps reptiles(assuming that Cullen is the one in the warrant, which they never confirmed). He's not very good on the video as a "public speaker", and combined with the irresponsible behavior in the first minute, the ranting against safe police tactics, and the FACT that he is not any authority or official spokesman for any of the involved parties, I'm not inclined to listen to him.

If you like him, wonderful for you. I didn't see much redeeming in the few minutes I watched though. At any rate, in this particular circumstance, he's merely repeating rumor as far as I can see.

[Seru1]

I don't know viperkeeper from Adam's housecat.. I just don't believe that any responsible hot keeper should START his videos with a great close up shot of him opening a hot bin with a bare hand so that the snake is striking at his bare hand. It's irresponsible. Other than that, I don't agree that police coming into a place to serve a warrant is "terrorist tactics" just because they were going after someone who keeps reptiles(assuming that Cullen is the one in the warrant, which they never confirmed). He's not very good on the video as a "public speaker", and combined with the irresponsible behavior in the first minute, the ranting against safe police tactics, and the FACT that he is not any authority or official spokesman for any of the involved parties, I'm not inclined to listen to him.

If you like him, wonderful for you. I didn't see much redeeming in the few minutes I watched though. At any rate, in this particular circumstance, he's merely repeating rumor as far as I can see.

He's not captain charisma but the warning on his video and all the lunges are to show people that even experianced HOT keepers have close calls.


Hey it's a free country and you guys are more than welcome to your opinions. I am a big fan, I just don't think flaming is necessary. Wolfy and wilo you know I respect you two and I don't want any hard feelings. I hope you both don't lose respect for me either


Anyway thats not what this thread is about. My prayers to terry and his animals.