pieds and leopards

[gcanibe]

Thanx Justin, very nice ball
Those marks in the belly are from pied? or from the pic?

[JenEric Reptiles]

Wow that is one beautiful animal and a awsome project!!!!

[jkobylka]

o you have a belly picture of the leopard that is 100% het?

crappy cell phone pic I just snapped

Thanx Justin, very nice ball
Those marks in the belly are from pied? or from the pic?

There are several pure white dots here and there on her belly, in addition to the ringer.

Wow that is one beautiful animal and a awsome project!!!!

Thanks! I think she will go well with the pumpkin pied.

Justin

[Turbo Serpent]

Genetic mysteries abound!

I love this hobby for the entire fact that there are so many mysterious things still unknown and breeding is like a puzzle, some pieces just don't look like they will fit but when combined make a pretty picture.

[chago11]

Ok, 4 is my limit!

From Ivory x YB:

[BoaRepublic]

Great thread and great information! I've felt quite in the dark about these guys. I got a pied male from Pete which was a 2005. His pattern of course is a little wacky, but it didn't look abnormal for a Pied.

Here is a picture of a Het Pied male I produced in 2009 that totally looks "different" to me. I just wanted to post it here and see if I could get opinions?

He was produced by a Pied x Spider. The Spiders look....I guess...alot nicer than most other spiders I've produced. However, it's hard for me to just go off that because the female Spider is super nice herself, with very high white and very blush colors.

Anyways, here's some pics. Justin if you or anyone else here with experience regarding he leopards have opinions on these, I'd appreciate it!

Het Pied: (leopard?)


Spider Het Pied: (leopard?)


Thanks!
Alex

[Russ Lawson]

Alex, I've seen several of the leopards, leopard pastels, and leopard spiders that Greg Graziani has in person, and neither of those two looks like a leopard to me. The head pattern on them is usually a dead giveaway (even combined with the spider gene), and neither of those has it.

[BoaRepublic]

Thanks for the quick response Russ
Ok cool. That's good to know cause I sold other Het pieds first before these and the Spiders, well, I guess I was just hoping they'd throw something cool later! I can then part with the hets and feel confident I'm not letting the gene slip from me I'll keep the spiders het pied regardless!

Is there a significant difference in the offspring once combined with other morphs (Spider, Pastel, Bumble Bee)?

I think what I'm mainly curious about, is are Leopard Spider Pieds any different than non Leopard?

Thanks again!!
Alex

[Russ Lawson]

Alex, the head is different on the leopard spider pieds than just a regular spider's head. That's really the only way to tell, and unfortunately, it's hard to describe. Greg Graziani had one available on his website earlier this year, and it was clearly different (the picture is no longer there otherwise I would tell you to check that out). As far as with pastels and spiders, the leopard trait does warp the body pattern a bit too. You won't confuse it with a normal on a pastel, but it's a bit harder to tell on a spider. That head is usually what you can know it by on the spider though. My suggestion would be to try to make it to a show Greg is attending later on this year when he has more available and to study them a bit, as he had the most of anyone else I saw last year, and I'm sure he'll have even more this year.

[Russ Lawson]

Alex, I was cruising the web today, and found a photo of a leopard spider. If you scroll down on this page and click on the thumbnail for it, you can see what I'm talking about as far as the warped pattern, especially the head pattern. Hope this helps!

http://www.clockworkreptile.com/Our_Collection.php