Cinny or not?

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Nice dinker.

[broadude]

Learn something new every day! I'll be looking for more interesting Cinnys from now on and straying from the "tried and true."

*I have a Het Red that people SWEAR is a normal, but the BREEDER is well known and swears she's a Het Red. I believe the breeder.

[Big Gunns]

Nice dinker.

Mikey....are you bragging about "it" again.

Please explain to Big Gunns the need to make that comment. You're being a meanie Mikey and you know it.

[rabernet]

Come on guys and gals. It's threads like this that really bother Big Gunns. They're just not fair to either the seller or the buyer.....especially the seller.

BG can remember when Cinnies first came out and Greg G had them in Daytona. BG stared at them for 10 minutes and swore they looked like normals he had. It's one snake that BG will never say 100% one way or another from a pic.....especially a pic of an adult.....they're even harder.

BG will say this about Jonnyboys Hunter's guide Robin. Even Jon would agree that his parameters for a morph are not "set in stone". If you look at the last pic of the baby that you can see the belly, it looks similar to what this animals does as an adult. It doesn't have the same "flames", but it does have some of the same "look".

Big Gunns isn't gonna say 100% either way on this snake.


There's one question that BG didn't see asked. Was this animal captive born and by whom? Actually you don't need to answer that buyer. You owe us nothing really. If you're happy with the snake that's all that matters.

Big Gunns didn't really want to post on this thread, but he felt he must.

BG, you know I respect your opinion! I will say that in the HG, the other baby's belly was a black pastel, which in my admittedly limited experience tend to NOT have the same clear belly as all the cinnies I've seen!

To the new owner, I'm also glad that you're happy with her - that's the most important thing - and I'm a gal, not a guy!

[Big Gunns]

BG, you know I respect your opinion! I will say that in the HG, the other baby's belly was a black pastel, which in my admittedly limited experience tend to NOT have the same clear belly as all the cinnies I've seen!

To the new owner, I'm also glad that you're happy with her - that's the most important thing - and I'm a gal, not a guy!

Yeah, I realize that it was a Black. He(the buyer) does say it looks kinda like a Black....not that BG thinks that matters much. Cinnies and Blacks can be a pain to tell from a pic, even if you see the belly. BG is just trying to say that with an animal like this, nobody can be 100% sure from looking at a pic. Well....maybe someone would bet their life on it, but BG never would. He loves life too much.

[dturner100]

Sorry Robin. Didn't read your name.

[EmberBall]

First, I am surprised nobody has shouted how dare you not Quarantine the snake, based on the pic you posted with your Pastel

Second, I am going to say it probably is a Cinn, but just a C Grade Cinnamon (and no, the C grade does not stand for Cinnamon, but low quality). As for the price, if the buyer and seller are both happy, then it was a fair price. You only need one person who likes your animal and your price to make a sale. Most Cinns have a reddish color to the side patterns, and the nice flames or blushing at the bottom coming up. This snake has the blushing and flames, but I am looking hard to find the red coloration that gives the Cinn its name.

Third, I am surprised (unless it was in the orignal ad, that I did not see) that nobody has brought up the history of this snake, like what is the history? Is it a CH female, is it from a wc clutch, is it from a known line of Cinny and just the ugly duckling baby? If the snake was from a known line, then it probably is a Cinn. If it was a CH animal, it might be, might not be, and I hope it was sold as such. If it was from a WC female that laid her eggs in captivity, and people are guessing what it is, and decided upon cinnamon, that is something totally different.

If it is a genetic Cinnamon, it is a low quality one, in my opinion. That is not the end of the world though, because when you have breeder animals you want your males to look spectacular, and the females to look as good as you can afford at the time of purchase. If you want me to explain this, just ask...
If it is a CH animal, it is a dinker until proven otherwise, in my opinion. If it was wc, or the baby of a wc female, it is probably a dinker or, if there were better examples in the clutch, and there were obvious cinnamons in the clutch, I guess it could be called a cinnamon.

So, what is the snake's history?

[JAMills]

First, I am surprised nobody has shouted how dare you not Quarantine the snake, based on the pic you posted with your Pastel

Second, I am going to say it probably is a Cinn, but just a C Grade Cinnamon (and no, the C grade does not stand for Cinnamon, but low quality). As for the price, if the buyer and seller are both happy, then it was a fair price. You only need one person who likes your animal and your price to make a sale. Most Cinns have a reddish color to the side patterns, and the nice flames or blushing at the bottom coming up. This snake has the blushing and flames, but I am looking hard to find the red coloration that gives the Cinn its name.

Third, I am surprised (unless it was in the orignal ad, that I did not see) that nobody has brought up the history of this snake, like what is the history? Is it a CH female, is it from a wc clutch, is it from a known line of Cinny and just the ugly duckling baby? If the snake was from a known line, then it probably is a Cinn. If it was a CH animal, it might be, might not be, and I hope it was sold as such. If it was from a WC female that laid her eggs in captivity, and people are guessing what it is, and decided upon cinnamon, that is something totally different.

If it is a genetic Cinnamon, it is a low quality one, in my opinion. That is not the end of the world though, because when you have breeder animals you want your males to look spectacular, and the females to look as good as you can afford at the time of purchase. If you want me to explain this, just ask...
If it is a CH animal, it is a dinker until proven otherwise, in my opinion. If it was wc, or the baby of a wc female, it is probably a dinker or, if there were better examples in the clutch, and there were obvious cinnamons in the clutch, I guess it could be called a cinnamon.

So, what is the snake's history?

Glad I read the whole thread before posting. You hit on the 2 things I was thinking and noticed missing. Quarantine and History.

As for the snake she is a Pretty animal. In my opinion she does have Cinny Characterisitics but is definately not a high quality cinny if she is a true cinny.
On the other hand she does look normal to me also.

If you are happy with the animal that is all that really matters. Breed that girl and I hope you prove her out to be what you bought her as.

[Big Gunns]

Actually Big Gunns did ask if it was captive born or not. Then he stated that the buyer owes all you peeps nothing.

Also.....Big Gunns thinks all forums throughout the world need to hire their own personal "Quarantine police". Watcha all think?