So I'm going to try this....

[snakeyes]

I still stand by saying it's not really possible to be completely healthy, and be a strict vegan. Not vegetarian, mind you, but vegan. There are too many essential nutients in animal foods that humans require, and plant sources are scarce, and often in different forms that the body doesn't process exactly the same way.

But don't take my word for it:
http://chetday.com/strictvegandiet.htm
http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healt...ronment/652504

The assertion is that people who follow a vegan diet will feel fantastic, and better than they did before, for about the first year or so--but after that, their health will begin to deteriorate.

If this doesn't happen to you, that's really great--but don't go into denial if it does. It's an experiment you're engaging in--I do wish you luck, but also awareness that this isn't a choice that has truly been proven beneficial or safe.

i agree. "wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure"
kudos to the one who figures out where that's from without googling(it that a word?) it

[Jay_Bunny]

I think I'll do just fine and I'll get all the nutrients I need. I could go on and on about how unhealthy an omnivorous diet is but I won't and I won't post links to prove I'm right because I respect your opinion and choice to eat that way. Telling me I will will never be completely healthy on this diet is really just rude. I have been talking with many vegans and even some raw vegans that have been on this diet for years and they have no deficiencies, are healthy, and rarely get sick.

Now if you have nothing better to say that to continue to tell me its unhealthy then please leave. This is not why I posted this thread. I posted to get support, not be shot down. How do you know all those scientists and nutritionists are not being paid to say what they say by the food industry? Now I'm not going to get a soap box and start getting all worked up but I have done my research and have chosen this path for myself.

Now I'm going to settle down and eat a yummy salad followed by some grapes and strawberries. Yum!

[andre6313]

I still stand by saying it's not really possible to be completely healthy, and be a strict vegan. Not vegetarian, mind you, but vegan. There are too many essential nutients in animal foods that humans require, and plant sources are scarce, and often in different forms that the body doesn't process exactly the same way.

But don't take my word for it:
http://chetday.com/strictvegandiet.htm
http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healt...ronment/652504

The assertion is that people who follow a vegan diet will feel fantastic, and better than they did before, for about the first year or so--but after that, their health will begin to deteriorate.

If this doesn't happen to you, that's really great--but don't go into denial if it does. It's an experiment you're engaging in--I do wish you luck, but also awareness that this isn't a choice that has truly been proven beneficial or safe.

Just an fyi for ya...
((Link removed at site-owner's request))

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g2.html?cat=51

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g2.html?cat=51

Do yourself a favor and do your research before you make assumptions on lifestyles you know nothing about... you can't just google something and post it...

[Raptor]

you can't just google something and post it...

That's..Kind of what you did..

[Jay_Bunny]

Enough! No more arguing from either side. That is not what I posted this for. I don't want to argue about which diet is better. I am quite happy with my vegan diet and no one is going to persuade me to change it. I had a nice glass of rice milk and a bowl of oatmeal for dinner. I will probably snack on some broccoli and carrots before heading to the gym tonight.

[Boanerges]

I am a BIG meat and potatoes type of guy and could never and would never want to change personally. BUT I do wish you the best with your lifestyle change And I hope you get all you want out of it

[Jay_Bunny]

Thanks! I hope I do well on it as well. And I promise not to eat my weight in Tofutti Ice Cream......well I sorta promise...maybe...

[andre6313]

That's..Kind of what you did..

No it's not what I did..read the articles...I have been a vegetarian for 16 years now, and have done my research.... There is esp GREAT info on nutrients in the last article... you might want to actually read it instead of mouthing off.

[RockyTop]

Hey there I know I already said good luck, just saying it again!

Here is my question, as related to snakes.

If humans have evolved over time to live off of the nutrients of both plants and animals, and you cut one out and could still live healthily...

I wonder if you could do the same thing for snakes. Tofodents? lol. I don't know. I am just curious. I mean, humans are nothing more than just a complex animal. If we could forgo essential nutrients provided by eating meat, could another species do it as well? I assume supplements would have to be provided (do vegan's take supplements to provide the nutrients that eating meat would provide?). Just curious, that's all. Not saying I would do it.

Also, what is the difference between a vegan and a vegetarian? I was under the impression they were the same thing but I guess not?

[andre6313]

Hey there I know I already said good luck, just saying it again!

Here is my question, as related to snakes.

If humans have evolved over time to live off of the nutrients of both plants and animals, and you cut one out and could still live healthily...

I wonder if you could do the same thing for snakes. Tofodents? lol. I don't know. I am just curious. I mean, humans are nothing more than just a complex animal. If we could forgo essential nutrients provided by eating meat, could another species do it as well? I assume supplements would have to be provided (do vegan's take supplements to provide the nutrients that eating meat would provide?). Just curious, that's all. Not saying I would do it.

Also, what is the difference between a vegan and a vegetarian? I was under the impression they were the same thing but I guess not?

That's a great question...I'm sure one could make it work...

A vegetarian allows some animal products, such as honey, milk, eggs..products that don't harm the animal...

A vegan allows NOTHING at all...no leather shoes, wool clothing, ect.