Lucy bug eyed ball python for $400

[Repsrul]

No one who is reputable will sell a Super Butter BEL for $400.

I would not be so quick to make a statement like this. I have seen on more then one occasion a very well know and reputable breeder selling Ball Pythons that should have either of been put down after being hatched or maybe kept as a pet being sold at very low prices at reptile expos. These Ball Pythons where high end. Unfortunately it does happen... But a picture would help.

[Sarin]

Why would a reputable breeder sell genetically defected Ball Pythons? They have no idea if the person they're selling it to intends to breed them or keep them as a pet.

Just my opinion... I know I personally wouldn't.

[xdeus]

I'm curious, many people in this thread have commented that the bug-eyed snake is defected and shouldn't be bred, yet many of the people who commented have Spiders with a well-known genetic defect.

At what point does a defect become acceptable?

[Sarin]

I'm curious, many people in this thread have commented that the bug-eyed snake is defected and shouldn't be bred, yet many of the people who commented have Spiders with a well-known genetic defect.

At what point does a defect become acceptable?

Good point. I don't know enough about the Bug-Eyed defect to argue the fact but the wobble is attached to the Spider gene and as far as I know there's no way to rid of it. I assume the Bug-Eye is different as you don't always see it in Lucy's?

[Serpents_Den]

Bug eyed?? Can you post a pic of it? Where is it advertised for sale at? Possibly if its from a reputable breeder but why does it have bug eyes? Incubation problem or something genetic.. If its possibly genetic I would be worried about breeding it. Then again, maybe like many other animals it will "grow into its eyes"?

We really need a picture of this one.

The bug eyes in Leucistic Texas Rats are is a genetic flaw so I would think this would be no different.

[joepythons]

I think this one smells like tuna .

[BPelizabeth]

Thank you for that. Do they ever "grow" into their eyes?? Is this a common thing with BEL's?

I would think that $400- is really cheap even for a bug eye'd BEL. I could be wrong. Check out the sellers info on the Board of Inquiry on Fauna Classifieds. There are some ppl that are truly rip off artists out there.

[N4S]

Why would a reputable breeder sell genetically defected Ball Pythons? They have no idea if the person they're selling it to intends to breed them or keep them as a pet.

Just my opinion... I know I personally wouldn't.

Because some of them are shiesty, you and the public dont know this because they put on an act.

[GoingPostal]

It's been posted on here before that it's not uncommon for bels to get bug eyed as they age, just seems to be one of those things that gets swept under the carpet to make a cool looking snake.

[broadude]

Because some of them are shiesty, you and the public dont know this because they put on an act.

While it's true that we have unethical breeders in our midst, may I remind you that NO research has been done to lay the groundwork needed to state that ALL Spiders have the wobble gene? I, for one, have never gotten on that bandwagon, and if I ever do hatch out wobbles they will not be sold.

I think many of us realize that there is NO perfect animal with perfect genes. Even a beautiful animal hatched from flawless genes has the ability to throw defective animals (sort of like people, sometimes $h!t happens in the creation of a living being).

This may be why some are hestitant to lable any lines that have thrown defective animals "totally" defective and cut out the whole gene.