Cinny or not?

[twistedtails]

It is sad the industry has people like this. Like I said I could be wrong, but, I'm almost positive that is a scam. When attending the show a couple weeks ago, I noticed somebody from my town who is know to run his mouth....He was selling a "male, het with markers". For what? He doesn't even know! He just felt like telling people it was a het I guess. Not to mention when asked if it had sperm plugs, he said he would have his friend pop it. I offered to pop it myself....It was a female!!<--------I guess I felt like ranting!

[withonor]

I saw that snake on Fauna the other day. A couple people responded saying it was just a normal, then a couple people fired back saying it was a great looking example of an adult cinnamon that browned out. It's sad that there are false advertisers out there, whether or not this one is really false. Easiest thing to do when you see something questionable is move on and find a better example.

[dturner100]

WOW. I actually bought this girl. Paid $750.

It's funny that not one expert that put this snake down bothered to ask for belly pictures, or better side pictures, or a close up of her head before they started bashing the quality of the snake.

Well, as I'm holding her in my hand right now I can tell you 100% that she is a cinnamon. She's got nearly the same color, and pattern as my BHB line cinny, but a little richer chocolate color.

Also what is sad is that in the ad it mentioned that she was in shed, but nobody asked if he had pics with her not in shed before jumping to conclusion of her quality.

Basically I find it sad that people who have a good knowledge of BP's but not a certain morph think they're experts in all aspects of BP's. If you don't know don't put down somebody's animals because you're not sure. Ask questions first. Then if it comes out more than "a little fishy" then accuse. Your "a little fishy" turned out to be a Kodak Photo Share camera ( poor quality camera ), mixed with her being in full shed.

So in closing I'd like to thank all of the people that missed out on this absolutely beautiful cinnamon that could actually be mistaken for a black pastel with her color richness, and clear belly so I could get her.

Also when she comes out of shed I'll post high quality pics of her from head to tail as well as her body.

[Sarin]

Looking forward to seeing better pictures of her.

Glad you're happy with her. That's what matters.

[jben]

Looking forward to seeing better pictures of her.

Glad you're happy with her. That's what matters.

x2

[EmberBall]

First, I am surprised nobody has shouted how dare you not Quarantine the snake, based on the pic you posted with your Pastel

Second, I am going to say it probably is a Cinn, but just a C Grade Cinnamon (and no, the C grade does not stand for Cinnamon, but low quality). As for the price, if the buyer and seller are both happy, then it was a fair price. You only need one person who likes your animal and your price to make a sale. Most Cinns have a reddish color to the side patterns, and the nice flames or blushing at the bottom coming up. This snake has the blushing and flames, but I am looking hard to find the red coloration that gives the Cinn its name.

Third, I am surprised (unless it was in the orignal ad, that I did not see) that nobody has brought up the history of this snake, like what is the history? Is it a CH female, is it from a wc clutch, is it from a known line of Cinny and just the ugly duckling baby? If the snake was from a known line, then it probably is a Cinn. If it was a CH animal, it might be, might not be, and I hope it was sold as such. If it was from a WC female that laid her eggs in captivity, and people are guessing what it is, and decided upon cinnamon, that is something totally different.

If it is a genetic Cinnamon, it is a low quality one, in my opinion. That is not the end of the world though, because when you have breeder animals you want your males to look spectacular, and the females to look as good as you can afford at the time of purchase. If you want me to explain this, just ask...
If it is a CH animal, it is a dinker until proven otherwise, in my opinion. If it was wc, or the baby of a wc female, it is probably a dinker or, if there were better examples in the clutch, and there were obvious cinnamons in the clutch, I guess it could be called a cinnamon.

So, what is the snake's history?

[JAMills]

First, I am surprised nobody has shouted how dare you not Quarantine the snake, based on the pic you posted with your Pastel

Second, I am going to say it probably is a Cinn, but just a C Grade Cinnamon (and no, the C grade does not stand for Cinnamon, but low quality). As for the price, if the buyer and seller are both happy, then it was a fair price. You only need one person who likes your animal and your price to make a sale. Most Cinns have a reddish color to the side patterns, and the nice flames or blushing at the bottom coming up. This snake has the blushing and flames, but I am looking hard to find the red coloration that gives the Cinn its name.

Third, I am surprised (unless it was in the orignal ad, that I did not see) that nobody has brought up the history of this snake, like what is the history? Is it a CH female, is it from a wc clutch, is it from a known line of Cinny and just the ugly duckling baby? If the snake was from a known line, then it probably is a Cinn. If it was a CH animal, it might be, might not be, and I hope it was sold as such. If it was from a WC female that laid her eggs in captivity, and people are guessing what it is, and decided upon cinnamon, that is something totally different.

If it is a genetic Cinnamon, it is a low quality one, in my opinion. That is not the end of the world though, because when you have breeder animals you want your males to look spectacular, and the females to look as good as you can afford at the time of purchase. If you want me to explain this, just ask...
If it is a CH animal, it is a dinker until proven otherwise, in my opinion. If it was wc, or the baby of a wc female, it is probably a dinker or, if there were better examples in the clutch, and there were obvious cinnamons in the clutch, I guess it could be called a cinnamon.

So, what is the snake's history?

Glad I read the whole thread before posting. You hit on the 2 things I was thinking and noticed missing. Quarantine and History.

As for the snake she is a Pretty animal. In my opinion she does have Cinny Characterisitics but is definately not a high quality cinny if she is a true cinny.
On the other hand she does look normal to me also.

If you are happy with the animal that is all that really matters. Breed that girl and I hope you prove her out to be what you bought her as.

[Big Gunns]

Actually Big Gunns did ask if it was captive born or not. Then he stated that the buyer owes all you peeps nothing.

Also.....Big Gunns thinks all forums throughout the world need to hire their own personal "Quarantine police". Watcha all think?

[Mike Cavanaugh]

So a "Cinny" that is such a poor example of the morph... so much so that most don't even think it is a Cinny fetched $750?

I smell something a little FISHY.... Not so much a CINNY.... LOL

[rabernet]

Glad you're happy with her too - can't wait to see pictures that really show her off.