does outback reptiles have a good reputation?

[wilomn]

Yes there would. Breeders would sell their own snakes to customers instead of flippers.

Do you REALLY think so?

The main reason I see, and I see it all the time, especially at that place that is virtually in a league of their own, is price.

What makes you think a breeder would sell for the same price as someone who buys and then resells?

Seems that some just don't want ANY competition.

If an animal is quality OR you buy knowing it may need work, why shouldn't you buy it? Because some guy who is greedy and holierthanthou says you won't get as good an animal as you would from him even though you pay him a LOT more for his? Seriously?

There are a lot of guys out there who sell crap. Josh is not one of them.

I buy and sell all year. I have not had a single complaint in longer than I can remember. I would bet you hands down that some of the snakes I 'flip' are of better quality at lower prices than most of what you "breeders who hate flippers" pawn off.

Josh isn't a bad guy. Outback isn't a bad outfit.

There are bad guys and suckass oufits out there. Pick on them.

By the way, where did the ancestors of your snakes originate? Got some flipped blood in there, do ya?

[pvdgod]

You dont flip a snake, you flip a house. You buy, sell, or trade a snake. And so what, if you were looking at houses to buy, do you really care whether the owner was living in the house for 30 years or just bought it last month to fix up and flip? If its a good house for a good price you buy it, if not you dont. Free market people. These anti-flipper people should go work in the white house where they can demonize snake flippers along with those evil insurance companies lol

[sho220]

You dont flip a snake, you flip a house. You buy, sell, or trade a snake. And so what, if you were looking at houses to buy, do you really care whether the owner was living in the house for 30 years or just bought it last month to fix up and flip? If its a good house for a good price you buy it, if not you dont. Free market people. These anti-flipper people should go work in the white house where they can demonize snake flippers along with those evil insurance companies lol

Your comparison to houses doesn't make sense. You normally go see a house and check it out. You have it inspected. You can check out its history. It's a fairly long and drawn out process where you have plenty of opportunities to back out if the mojo is bad. When you're buying reptiles online you can do some due diligence but there's always the chance that when you open the box it may not be what you expected. That's when it comes down to whether the person you're dealing with is a good guy.

And yes, you can flip snakes/reptiles. Buy 20 snakes for 20 dollars each and turn around and sell them off for 40 dollars each and you've just flipped 20 snakes!

Flipping can be good or bad depending on how the breeder/seller conducts the whole deal...

[wilomn]

Flipping can be good or bad depending on how the breeder/seller conducts the whole deal...

And how do you think it was handled in this instance?

[sho220]

And how do you think it was handled in this instance?

Not sure...I didn't read the whole thread on Fauna...threads tend to get carried away over there...19 pages???

They have a solid reputation. I've done business with them before and wouldn't hesitate to do it again...

[Mike Schultz]

Thank you for the recommendations and kind words.

[pvdgod]

Your comparison to houses doesn't make sense. You normally go see a house and check it out. You have it inspected. You can check out its history. It's a fairly long and drawn out process where you have plenty of opportunities to back out if the mojo is bad. When you're buying reptiles online you can do some due diligence but there's always the chance that when you open the box it may not be what you expected. That's when it comes down to whether the person you're dealing with is a good guy.

And yes, you can flip snakes/reptiles. Buy 20 snakes for 20 dollars each and turn around and sell them off for 40 dollars each and you've just flipped 20 snakes!

Flipping can be good or bad depending on how the breeder/seller conducts the whole deal...

It makes sense to anyone who understands basic business transactions. Buying 20 snakes for 20 dollars and selling them for 40 dollars is a simple business transaction. Thats the way every business transaction works. I never heard of anybody buying anything for 20 dollars to sell it to someone for 20 dollars. The fact your buying online is your problem, nobody is forcing you to buy online. You can go to a show, to a breeder, etc. I can buy a house online too and not know what im getting. Thats why if i was going to do that i would go to a reputable broker like Century21, Prudential, ERA, etc. If i go to some shady broker then i deserve what i get, thats why i need to do my research. Your point is that buying from someone else to sell is flipping, while hatching out your own babies to sell is not? How does that make sense? I can buy 2 snakes, wait till they breed, get 10 babies, and sell them. How is that any different? It's actually worse by your logic since i didnt pay for each baby, i only paid for the parents. Therefore any babies i sell for the next 10 years are pure profit since i dont pay anything for them (besides my initial investment for the parents and the maintenance). In this case im making way more profit than your buy for 20 sell for 40 example. You see how your point falls flat here?

[sho220]

Buying 20 snakes for 20 dollars and selling them for 40 dollars is a simple business transaction.

No kidding...It's called flipping...buying snakes with the intent of turning right around and selling them is flipping...buying cars with the intent of turning right around is called flipping. Buying bikes with the intent of turning right around and selling them is called flipping. Flipping has nothing to do with breeding or whether one makes more profit than the other...you're making this more complicated than it is...

[pvdgod]

its called selling for a profit. I've never heard ANYONE use the term flipping on anything other than houses. This is when you buy a house, fix it up as quickly as possible to make as few mortgage payments as you can, then sell it. What you describe is simple buying and selling for a profit. So what if i buy snakes but dont turn "right around" and sell them but sell them 6 months later, is that just buying to sell? How do you know how quickly im gonna sell my 20 snakes, what if it takes me 6 months to sell them?

[sho220]

I can buy 2 snakes, wait till they breed, get 10 babies, and sell them. How is that any different?

How is that different than flipping? Are you serious? Spending 2 to 4 years raising up snakes, going through all the excitement and anxiousness and doubt about breeding, and wondering if she's ovulating or if he's man enough to get the job done and if you'll get good eggs and if they'll hatch out o.k. and if you can get the babies eating and shedding....yup...that's exactly like flipping...