Quote Originally Posted by Skiploder View Post
Come again?

Yes they are in a different subfamily and genus of colubrid.

I can't make heads or tails of the rest of your post - can you re-phrase it?
Thats the jest of what i was saying. They are a subfamily of colubrids but i dont consider them colubrids due to the venom. Out of the hundreds of colubrids i have had not one was venomous or rear fanged, which is why i dont classify hoggs as colubrids even though scientifically they are.