New Butter

[joepythons]

Ok then can you see for yourself yours does not look even close to it? What was the other parent?

[Blue Apple Herps]

That definitely looks like it could be a butter. If that is in fact one of the parents, then the other parent was definitely not a butter, this would mean your guy is het caramel.

[wendhend]

I still think this hatchling might actually be a butter. To my knowledge, the best authority on corn snake morphs is Chuck Pritzel. In his well-known Cornsnake Morph Guide, this is what he has to say about butter corn snakes: "As hatchlings, these can sometimes resemble snows or amels. Butters can range in appearance from almost "snow-like" to almost "amel-like." Saddle colors tend to range from yellow to dark brownish orange, and the ground color ranges from white or off-white to shades of yellow."

So, if this baby was: 1. Known to come from two butter corn parents, 2. Has less vivid red / orange coloring in real life than the picture portrays, and 3. Fits into the known range of butter hatchling appearances ("almost amel-like") per the corn snake morph authority.... shouldn't we at least give anti the benefit of the doubt that this hatchling might actually be a butter?

[anti-]

that's what i think too...


tomorrow I'll try to take some better pictures of him in natural sunlight and post them here.


I'll take detail pics of his head and belly pattern too.

[Blue Apple Herps]

I still think this hatchling might actually be a butter. To my knowledge, the best authority on corn snake morphs is Chuck Pritzel. In his well-known Cornsnake Morph Guide, this is what he has to say about butter corn snakes: "As hatchlings, these can sometimes resemble snows or amels. Butters can range in appearance from almost "snow-like" to almost "amel-like." Saddle colors tend to range from yellow to dark brownish orange, and the ground color ranges from white or off-white to shades of yellow."

So, if this baby was: 1. Known to come from two butter corn parents, 2. Has less vivid red / orange coloring in real life than the picture portrays, and 3. Fits into the known range of butter hatchling appearances ("almost amel-like") per the corn snake morph authority.... shouldn't we at least give anti the benefit of the doubt that this hatchling might actually be a butter?

Charles Pritzel is very knowledgeable but I guarantee if he saw that snake he'd label it an amel. '10 will be my 15th year breeding corns, and I've hatched out plenty of butters as well as amels so I know the difference.

Sorry but the OP's snake isn't a butter.

[joepythons]

Did you ever get a pic of the other parent?

[anti-]

Here are some pics with a more realistic colour, tell me what you think :













Thanks!

[Blue Apple Herps]

More convinced than ever that he's not a butter. Sorry.

He is a very very nice looking amel. Sometimes het caramel can show though, and he has the coloration to possibly be het caramel, but only breeding trials will tell for sure unless you're 100% one of the parents was a butter.

[joepythons]

More convinced than ever that he's not a butter. Sorry.

I agree

[wendhend]

The new pictures are helpful. I still think it looks more orange than a typical butter corn... but not as red as a typical amel hatchling would. Its irises appear to be yellow / gold in color, right? You do see that golden color in butters, wheras, amel eyes are typically more pink. Has anyone considered that this hatchling might be hybrid, such as a creamsicle? Its yellow-orange color looks like fairly typical creamsicle coloration to me. Some creamsicles can look quite yellow, which might explain one or both of the parents looking yellow but producing an orange baby? Just a thought... In any case, it is a very pretty little snake, and it would be cool to see future pictures of how its coloration changes with maturity.