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Re: Global Warming Could Mean No More Pets
 Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
A car? Really? Then what .... children maybe? How "green" is a family of five compared to a single physicist living in his parents basement?
First of all, you're going to alienate a lot of people with this insinuation that physicists are closet geeks who hide in their mothers' basements. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I resent this statement. It shows someone who prefers to use false generalizations to get his point across, which is no better than what that USGS paper or the HSUS is doing.
Please, stick to the sound logical arguments, such as the greenness of a family of five. There's no need to insult scientists in the process.
 Originally Posted by rabernet
Yes. And it's also been proven that other planets in our solar system are experiencing the same overall temp increases as we are, at the same rate. Those planets really need to clean up their act!
Or perhaps, it's just normal solar shifts causing the global warming?
I'd like to see the peer-reviewed papers where it says all other planets in our solar system are experiencing the same temperature increase. And yes, it must be all of them, or that logic does not hold. Besides, temperature increases for the other planets does not necessarily indicate that our temperature increases are from the same source. Some planets have magnetic fields, some don't; some planets emit more energy than they receive, some don't; some have atmospheres, some don't.
Normal solar shifts are not responsible for the warming. The sun does sometimes cause warming or cooling (i.e. the "little ice age" a few hundred years ago), but we know this isn't the case now. We may not understand the causes of the 11-year solar cycle, but its effects on the earth are pretty well-understood.
 Originally Posted by wingedwolfpsion
Dissect what you hear CRITICALLY. Every bit of it. Because both sides are leaving out important information, and if you don't question it, you'll be led like a sheep, and you won't be able to make up your own mind from a knowledgeable position.
THIS. Sooo much this! Please, everyone, THINK about what you're reading or watching; don't just take it as fact. "You-Tube documentary"? Hello, oxymoron! Every media source has a bias, whether obvious or not. I get the feeling, from all the links posted in this thread, that the vast majority of you believe everything you read and/or see on the Internet...and that scares me. How are people supposed to take us seriously?
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Face it: the Earth is warming. Global warming, in its scientific definition (not the media's), is happening. The vast majority of scientists believe this. Granted, that does not make it absolutely true, but check out the peer-reviewed papers concerning global warming (especially the plots). Also see what other scientists are saying about those supposed "made-up" or "removed" data. Don't just listen to what the media is spoon-feeding you. On the same token, you shouldn't take what scientists say as honest-to-God truth, either. However, if many scientists agree that the Earth is warming, then we need to take those scientists' views with a lot more than a grain of salt.
Now, as for the whole "ban pets because of their carbon footprint," several of you have it spot-on: bull crap. It's just an excuse. I'd like to see the carbon footprint of all U.S. pets versus the carbon footprint of all the coal power plants in the U.S....
Last edited by Eventide; 12-29-2009 at 01:32 AM.
Reason: Clarifications.
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