Culling mutated hatchlings:

[blackcrystal22]

Am I the only one, or is the idea of what's humane or inhumane a matter of opinion? That is, until someone can point to factual science based evidence either way.

I dont think its about how we feel, but rather what the truth is, whatever that may be.

For anyone to criticize another for how they carry out their activities is a bad thing to do. There are many variables that go into each keeper or breeders setup.

I agree. I don't think that the reptiles have the capability of realizing what is happening when being frozen, because they are cold blooded and all their senses are slowed until they go unconscious.

[Vader6]

First it's PETA, not PITA. And I think there are very few people on here that agree with PETA's or HSUS's motives.

You never had to say it was the best option. That's not what people are getting upset about. The fact that you would recommend that or even 'put it out there' is illegal, and part of the reason why we are at the risk of losing our hobby altogether.

To be honest, I only understood about half of that post. So, if you were trying to say that you would never do that and you don't think that anyone else should do that then forgive me.

Didn't know ppl were going to get all uppity about it, I mean damn. OUR hobby has nothing to do with BP's or them entering or not entering the wild. And I feel if the snake is gonna die and u wanna let it outside and roam for a day and then it die and be eaten by something. DO IT. Now if you wanna just release it cuz it's not eating, u don't like it, or anything that is not gonna have it die VERY soon then yea don't do it. THAT is my pt. Idc if ppl agree with it or not, or if it's illegal or not. That is the only circumstance I think it is right to do it. Cuz i personally think the snake would be happier exploring. Your responsibility as a handler is to make your snakes happy and I think if it's gonna die soon then that is what will make it happy. So keep neg repping me cuz that's what I think.

[bad-one]

Didn't know ppl were going to get all uppity about it, I mean damn. OUR hobby has nothing to do with BP's or them entering or not entering the wild. And I feel if the snake is gonna die and u wanna let it outside and roam for a day and then it die and be eaten by something. DO IT. Now if you wanna just release it cuz it's not eating, u don't like it, or anything that is not gonna have it die VERY soon then yea don't do it. THAT is my pt. Idc if ppl agree with it or not, or if it's illegal or not. That is the only circumstance I think it is right to do it. Cuz i personally think the snake would be happier exploring. Your responsibility as a handler is to make your snakes happy and I think if it's gonna die soon then that is what will make it happy. So keep neg repping me cuz that's what I think.

That's just the problem, it is never acceptable to release any animal...

[CoolioTiffany]

For those who smash the head of the snake, how do you even stand to do so? I know I could never do this, and since I'm going to breed, I'd rather spend money to get the snake humanely euthanized rather than witness the horror of smashing a baby snake's head. I respect and love snakes way to much to do anything horrible to them.. Like smashing the head, freezing, cutting off the head, C02, etc.

[Failshed]

Didn't know ppl were going to get all uppity about it, I mean damn. OUR hobby has nothing to do with BP's or them entering or not entering the wild. And I feel if the snake is gonna die and u wanna let it outside and roam for a day and then it die and be eaten by something. DO IT. Now if you wanna just release it cuz it's not eating, u don't like it, or anything that is not gonna have it die VERY soon then yea don't do it. THAT is my pt. Idc if ppl agree with it or not, or if it's illegal or not. That is the only circumstance I think it is right to do it. Cuz i personally think the snake would be happier exploring. Your responsibility as a handler is to make your snakes happy and I think if it's gonna die soon then that is what will make it happy. So keep neg repping me cuz that's what I think.

Please Vader6 don't get to that point of exiling yourself from the knowledge that is available on this site. But the thought of releasing the animal into the wild should be understood as illegal. That is why you see all the adds to stop the reptile ban. Because people thought the same way, and now we have an epic problem here in Florida with Burmese pythons. That mind state of Burmese python problem doesn't transfer well with the uneducated public. They associate all non-native snakes as problems.

Not at all an attack on you, I just want you to think about the hot water we are in as hobbyists of ball pythons, because of irresponsible owners doing what you suggested.

[WingedWolfPsion]

I agree. I don't think that the reptiles have the capability of realizing what is happening when being frozen, because they are cold blooded and all their senses are slowed until they go unconscious.

This is a nice thought, but it's not a realistic thought. Do humans feel pain when they are hypothermic? Of course they do.

Ball pythons brumate. They do not fall asleep. They are awake when they're cold. They're slow, but they're awake. If you don't think a cold snake can sense and react to its surroundings, poke one with a pin. I guarantee you it will flinch--it's perfectly capable of feeling pain.
The snake may be incapable of moving at some point, but that doesn't mean it isn't feeling anything any longer. I don't know where you got the idea that nerve impulses were absent when it's cold.

[Pulcher]

I dont see the problem at all with smashing its head. Sometimes i have to knock my rats out with a knife and they get all messed up. I mean i would rather kill it than know i let some frankenstein snake live for a short period of time.

[joepythons]

Point being what? I expressed a point that I didn't completely explain all the way through, and that was a my b. But TRUST me I am by FAR better in the know about anything in this sort of field I can promise you that. Now for snakes in general you got me pwned, and probs you to you for that. But BEFORE you start making actuation about someone knowing better be sure you dealing with a compete and utter moron before you do. B/c ppl like me who are actually in the know of these kinds of things. I was referring to ONE instance not IF this and IF that or IF this person also did it. I talking this guy this time IF the animals were to DIE very soon.
I do agree like I have stated, not to do it. So I will retract my statement on page 1 and leave it as it is.

FYI guys chillax a bit, it's a forum for goodness sakes......

Pleasure to have this conversation and sorry for the miscommunication on the topic. Back on topic this thread should go.

Point being if you were a kid then we could just say you dont know any better and help you understand.Since your an adult .Now for the rest of your gibberish YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE .

[joepythons]

Didn't know ppl were going to get all uppity about it, I mean damn. OUR hobby has nothing to do with BP's or them entering or not entering the wild. And I feel if the snake is gonna die and u wanna let it outside and roam for a day and then it die and be eaten by something. DO IT. Now if you wanna just release it cuz it's not eating, u don't like it, or anything that is not gonna have it die VERY soon then yea don't do it. THAT is my pt. Idc if ppl agree with it or not, or if it's illegal or not. That is the only circumstance I think it is right to do it. Cuz i personally think the snake would be happier exploring. Your responsibility as a handler is to make your snakes happy and I think if it's gonna die soon then that is what will make it happy. So keep neg repping me cuz that's what I think.

Why dont you just stop showing your ignorance .You can not be in this hobby and love reptiles like we do and say over and over they would be better off dieing by being eaten by something.I think you are working for the idiots that are trying to cease our hobby and ask everyone to stop responding to your stupid comments.

[kjinxx2]

Hey guys, I really don't mean to be rude, I know we are all very passionate about this hobby - however I'd like to stick to the topic at hand without too much argument. If you could maybe finish your discussion in another topic or through private messages

Joepythons do you have any advice for culling a hatchling?