Culling mutated hatchlings:

[dr del]

Hi,

Terrible idea for several reasons.

If someone finds it before it dies the we are right back to the bad for the hobby argument.

If it can't survive to become and invasive species because of the environment then you are intentionally putting it into an environment knowing it will kill it - hardly a charitable act.

If, as you are discussing, the animal is ill/ deformed then you are not magically excused from your duty of care. Putting it out into the wild is not caring for it. Either help it live happily or help it die humanely.

It is also, in all likelyhood, completely illegal to release it into the wild.


dr del

[thegoalie22]

If I may ask, what is the actual reason of you having to do this?

[kjinxx2]

If I may ask, what is the actual reason of you having to do this?

I'm simply asking for the furtherance of my own personal knowledge, if I ever breed BP's I'd like to be prepared in the event of such problems occurring.

[joepythons]

If it's going to die anywhere then there is no reason that it will become an invasive species to the area around it. Further more a BP will never be an issue even if they were released they are purely rodent eaters and don't get big enough to cause any issues to begin with. BP's might be taken away b/c of it's larger counter part snake brothers. BP's don't get big enough not to have a predator. Back on point I said to release it b/c if it had a illness that will cause it to die anyway might as well let it live out it's very short life exploring. Personal opinion.

NEWSFLASH its illegal to release ANY non native animal! So if your sick and going to die should i release you into the ocean? I mean if your going to just die why not die swimming .

[Stewart_Reptiles]

We are here to promote RESPONSIBLE pet ownership not to promote the illegal release of an non native animal in the wild. (Obviously you have a lot to learn)

And some people wonder why politicians are trying to ban snakes

Secondly as far as this forum goes here is a little reminder

8. No posts promoting illegal behavior will be tolerated

I would say a cleaver to the back of the neck where the head and body meet. Less gory I would think and would do the same thing.
Knocking him out with CO2 or N20 first would be better though.
I mean you could just let them go in the wild....

If it's going to die anywhere then there is no reason that it will become an invasive species to the area around it. Further more a BP will never be an issue even if they were released they are purely rodent eaters and don't get big enough to cause any issues to begin with. BP's might be taken away b/c of it's larger counter part snake brothers. BP's don't get big enough not to have a predator. Back on point I said to release it b/c if it had a illness that will cause it to die anyway might as well let it live out it's very short life exploring. Personal opinion.

[Jay_Bunny]

Why do people always seem to think that the most humane thing for an animal is just to release it into the wild. I'm sorry, that snake is not going to enjoy its time out in the wild while it dies. Its going to either lay there and die of exposure or get eaten by a predator. Not only that, its illegal.

[joepythons]

Why do people always seem to think that the most humane thing for an animal is just to release it into the wild. I'm sorry, that snake is not going to enjoy its time out in the wild while it dies. Its going to either lay there and die of exposure or get eaten by a predator. Not only that, its illegal.

I thought he was a kid who does not know any better but he is 20 .

[Vader6]

NEWSFLASH its illegal to release ANY non native animal! So if your sick and going to die should i release you into the ocean? I mean if your going to just die why not die swimming .

Human > Snake.....if you don't see the value of a human life over a BP bred to be a pet/hobby animals then your just, well I'm gonna be nice and just say join PITA

We are here to promote RESPONSIBLE pet ownership not to promote the illegal release of an non native animal in the wild. (Obviously you have a lot to learn)

And some people wonder why politicians are trying to ban snakes

Secondly as far as this forum goes here is a little reminder

My bad, I never said it was the best option just putting it out there. Never once said I would just informing ppl that even if it is it's not gonna become a invasive species for ppl who think that. But I do agree that it will look bad on the community if it is found, no doubt.

Why do people always seem to think that the most humane thing for an animal is just to release it into the wild. I'm sorry, that snake is not going to enjoy its time out in the wild while it dies. Its going to either lay there and die of exposure or get eaten by a predator. Not only that, its illegal.

Never said it was the most of least humane way to do that. And if your actually think YOU know what the SNAKE is gonna enjoy on it's last days of living your completely wrong. Humans as well as animals have a completely different mind set when death is in the near future. For instance some dogs go into the middle of no where to die alone. Humans want to the the most stupidest things known to man before they pass.....how do YOU know what it wants.

I thought he was a kid who does not know any better but he is 20 .

Point being what? I expressed a point that I didn't completely explain all the way through, and that was a my b. But TRUST me I am by FAR better in the know about anything in this sort of field I can promise you that. Now for snakes in general you got me pwned, and probs you to you for that. But BEFORE you start making actuation about someone knowing better be sure you dealing with a compete and utter moron before you do. B/c ppl like me who are actually in the know of these kinds of things. I was referring to ONE instance not IF this and IF that or IF this person also did it. I talking this guy this time IF the animals were to DIE very soon.
I do agree like I have stated, not to do it. So I will retract my statement on page 1 and leave it as it is.

FYI guys chillax a bit, it's a forum for goodness sakes......

Pleasure to have this conversation and sorry for the miscommunication on the topic. Back on topic this thread should go.

[BPHERP]

Am I the only one, or is the idea of what's humane or inhumane a matter of opinion? That is, until someone can point to factual science based evidence either way.

I dont think its about how we feel, but rather what the truth is, whatever that may be.

For anyone to criticize another for how they carry out their activities is a bad thing to do. There are many variables that go into each keeper or breeders setup.

[blackcrystal22]

Human > Snake.....if you don't see the value of a human life over a BP bred to be a pet/hobby animals then your just, well I'm gonna be nice and just say join PITA



My bad, I never said it was the best option just putting it out there. Never once said I would just informing ppl that even if it is it's not gonna become a invasive species for ppl who think that. But I do agree that it will look bad on the community if it is found, no doubt.



Never said it was the most of least humane way to do that. And if your actually think YOU know what the SNAKE is gonna enjoy on it's last days of living your completely wrong. Humans as well as animals have a completely different mind set when death is in the near future. For instance some dogs go into the middle of no where to die alone. Humans want to the the most stupidest things known to man before they pass.....how do YOU know what it wants.



Point being what? I expressed a point that I didn't completely explain all the way through, and that was a my b. But TRUST me I am by FAR better in the know about anything in this sort of field I can promise you that. Now for snakes in general you got me pwned, and probs you to you for that. But BEFORE you start making actuation about someone knowing better be sure you dealing with a compete and utter moron before you do. B/c ppl like me who are actually in the know of these kinds of things. I was referring to ONE instance not IF this and IF that or IF this person also did it. I talking this guy this time IF the animals were to DIE very soon.
I do agree like I have stated, not to do it. So I will retract my statement on page 1 and leave it as it is.

FYI guys chillax a bit, it's a forum for goodness sakes......

Pleasure to have this conversation and sorry for the miscommunication on the topic. Back on topic this thread should go.

First it's PETA, not PITA. And I think there are very few people on here that agree with PETA's or HSUS's motives.

You never had to say it was the best option. That's not what people are getting upset about. The fact that you would recommend that or even 'put it out there' is illegal, and part of the reason why we are at the risk of losing our hobby altogether.

To be honest, I only understood about half of that post. So, if you were trying to say that you would never do that and you don't think that anyone else should do that then forgive me.