New Yellowbelly

[het.pied]

I agree that the snakes colors and pattern are something unusual, but the belly does not read as a Yellowbellies belly. I don't think anyone here meant for you to take any of their comments personally. People are just calling it as they see it, and trying to help you out in not getting swindled, potentially that is. Although I can't see the belly of the snake you linked in your last post, I would say yes to it being a Yellowbelly. If he has that snake for sale, why not ask for a trade? If he truly believes the snake he sold you to be a Yellowbelly, he should have no issues trading. Again, no one here is attacking you in any way, we're all just trying to be helpful! Good luck in whatever you decide to do!

Cheers,
-Matt

yes he did own a snake shop in miami. called snakes at sunset. he sold it to the current owner a few years ago which my brother has bought 4 balls from. honestly the shape the snakes had been in before the shop was sold was IMO horrible! the new owner is a very clean and knowledgeable person.

not saying that amir doesnt know anything or has bad snakes or anything. thats just saying what i saw years ago...

[Royal Morphz]

So Amir now runs pet shops .This is ANOTHER one of those threads that the OP does not like the truth and refuses to admit they got jacked .O well who cares have fun with your NORMAL ball python

Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.

Hi,

Actually I thought I read Amir used to run a pet shop but had recently sold it?

I know I usually get these thigns wrong but wasn't it called sunset pythons? Or was that someone else.

My recommendation to send the pictures to Amir stands - I know there are some subtle yellowbellies but that seems a bit too subtle for me, personally, not to want confirmation from a third party not the person I bought it from.

As I said he doesn't need to be intentionally lying to you to be wrong about whether it is a yellowbelly or not.

Either way when you breed it to your ivory you will find out. Be a bit late to complain but you will find out one way or another.


dr del

Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

[joepythons]

Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.



Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47

[Royal Morphz]

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47

Could be a response he got from the store owner to further make him feel comfortable the animal came from Amir. Or it Amir could have in the recent past took the store back over there are alot or questions that may never nor need to be answered because its a 75-150 dollar animal that the OP has obviously decided was in fact a YB regardless of the advice we have given him.

[sg1trogdor]

100000000000% positive its a norm. Definitely get your money back. I was thinking maybe you misunderstood the owner. How large is that snake and female I assume I will go back and read right now. But if thats a female norm for that size then maybe 150 isnt bad...well for a petshop price. Maybe he meant if you breed that to your ivory then you will produce yellowbellies. I know I have selective hearing and I can see where someone could think that meant it was a yb. Just a thought.

[sg1trogdor]

By the way to those people that keep calling this snake a normal. It definatly isnt a normal. I had 2 normals before this supposed normal and I must say his colors are much lighter and honestly the belly shows more shades of yellow in comparison to my prior bps. My two cents.

Just because it looks different then your other normals doesnt mean anything I have over 20 normals and every single one looks different from one another. They all have varying amount of color ranging from pastel looking to almost mojave and patterns looking like granites, wild types, womas. Thats what makes normals soo great they are all soo different. I know you don't want to believe it but your snake is a normal ball python. There is absolutely no way that it is a yellowbelly. Im sorry if you don't want to believe us but there is a hell of alot of experience here telling what it isnt and you insist on telling us we are wrong. Now just because the guy seems all buddy buddy does no make him yours. He can and will sell you whatever he can to make a quick buck. Tell him you would like to speak with Amir or try to contact him yourself that will settle it. Good luck.

[piper]

It is a normal, but I'll post something more then "it's a normal."

I actually had the pleasure of seeing a few yb babies a few weeks ago, they are subtle but very cool looking. Not all have yellowbellies but they do have flames and the markings... I have a normal female that looks similar to the one you have put up and she's a normal.

Is it possible that when the deliveries were being made, he dropped the wrong snake bag off and pet shop owner didn't look in the bag? Or maybe this Amir person mis labeled the bag? Something along those lines?

Maybe call the pet shop and say "you sold me a normal, I have posted numerous pictures of this animal and everyone is saying it's a normal. Something could have possibly happened and maybe you just sold me the wrong snake"

He's probably trust Amir and going by what he said. I think if this Amir person saw the snake, he would probably say he dropped the wrong bag off. This is taking into consideration what was said earlier about delivering numerous ball pythons to many pet stores.

That's my input.
Thanks,

Mike

[Elise.m]

IMO, it's a normal. And if you've had 2 normals prior to acquiring this BP, you should be aware of the variety of colors that normals come in. People pick up normals that resemble fires all the time, but they're just light colored normals. Not fires.

As for this snake, it has NO flames, has a CLEAR belly. It is not a Yellowbelly. If I were you, I'd go to the shop, ask him to use a computer there and show him comparison pictures of your snake and a true YB. And if he still insists on it being a YB, I'd get together with Amir. Only if you truly care about it being a YB or a normal.

[ralphdp21]

Actually Joe Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable.



Del not sure of the name but you are correct he did have a pet store.

To the OP you can on here and post up terrible, out of focus photos and get upset when other members give you there opinion (including me, I still call it a Normal). You are correct in that YB's can be quite variable, but funny thing about those Normals they to are quite variable.

You are very confused my friend. First off his name is not Joe Amir. It's Amir Soleymani, so I think we are talking about two different people with the same occupation. I could be mistaken on this but thats the name that this guy said.

And I made it pretty damn clear that my camera sucks.

And as far as getting upset at other members, I never was. If anything I am upset at myself for not being smarter in this transaction.

He said Amir was this guys boss though in post 47

I think you guys are talking about some one else.

100000000000% positive its a norm. Definitely get your money back. I was thinking maybe you misunderstood the owner. How large is that snake and female I assume I will go back and read right now. But if thats a female norm for that size then maybe 150 isnt bad...well for a petshop price. Maybe he meant if you breed that to your ivory then you will produce yellowbellies. I know I have selective hearing and I can see where someone could think that meant it was a yb. Just a thought.

Well I have a FEMALE Ivory that should be ready to breed next year. The new snake that I got is a MALE for sure, 100% positive I saw him pop and probe it in front of me. He made it damn clear its a yellowbelly.

On post 47 I posted some pictures of different snake. Who can identify the Yellowbelly?

[Elise.m]

You are very confused my friend. First off his name is not Joe Amir. It's Amir Soleymani, so I think we are talking about two different people with the same occupation. I could be mistaken on this but thats the name that this guy said.

I think you guys are talking about some one else.

He meant to say "Actually Joe, Amir did own a Pet store in Miami I think, but has since sold it to a close friend. The op is correct that Amir does sell BP's to a lot of FL pet stores so that part is not inconceivable."

See, he was addressing Joepythons, while talking about Amir. I think Amir is a pretty well known name on here, so it wouldn't be mistaken.