It seemed so wrong, but felt so right...

[Ludeboi]

...Muffin’s mouse was far worse however, I had to take my hemostats and crush his face to get him to calm down.

Whoa! Why did that remind me of that movie Misery?

[Chocolate Muffin's]

Whoa! Why did that remind me of that movie Misery?

I know which scene too....

[redstormlax12]

The fact that you crushed the rodents face and feet before feeding is absolutely awful. I feel that it was extremely inhumane and cruel. I dont completely disagree with live feeding, but the fact that you mamed the rodents and put them in extreme pain before the feeding is awful. If your going to do that to the rodent then feed F/T. Live feeding is natural but once you step in and mame the prey, its awful. Yes your looking out for your snake, but you can easily solve that by feeding F/T. Your snake doesnt benefit for eating live. The action of feeding live was purely for your own entertainment and benefit. You cruely tortured those rodents and to keep doing that action is dispicable. Switch to F/T. You were trying to look out for your snakes, but in the meantime you commited animal cruelty.

[Nate]

The fact that you crushed the rodents face and feet before feeding is absolutely awful.

I think you've misread...see below

Maybe people are thinking that I did this before these rodents were presented to the animals? I'm not sure but I think I have made it pretty clear that the rodents were under restraint from the snakes with the exception of their feet ,claws, etc. I stand firm by position on this issue but your soapbox is always welcome : )

[Chocolate Muffin's]

The fact that you crushed the rodents face and feet before feeding is absolutely awful. I feel that it was extremely inhumane and cruel. I dont completely disagree with live feeding, but the fact that you mamed the rodents and put them in extreme pain before the feeding is awful. If your going to do that to the rodent then feed F/T. Live feeding is natural but once you step in and mame the prey, its awful. Yes your looking out for your snake, but you can easily solve that by feeding F/T. Your snake doesnt benefit for eating live. The action of feeding live was purely for your own entertainment and benefit. You cruely tortured those rodents and to keep doing that action is dispicable. Switch to F/T. You were trying to look out for your snakes, but in the meantime you commited animal cruelty.

Before you start making accusations, you need to get your facts straight. You are making grossly incorrect statements, and are clearly uninformed as to the nature of my position. First of all, I at no time tortured any animals. I didn’t crush any rodents prior to feeding and responded to the rodents aggression only after they were under suppression from the snake – read the thread if you want to contribute to the discussion.

I will continue to feed live, and I will react appropriately (and humanely) if ever any rodent poses a threat to my animals, but they are the priority. If you have an intelligent argument for feeding F/T then that’s fine. I don’t need to justify my desire to feed live food. This is what I chose to do, and I will do so with or without the approval of anyone.

Furthermore, I don’t get any benefit from feeding live other than been fascinated because I had never done it before. Just to remind you, these rodents are going to die – they are going to be eaten. This is what happens in nature and it’s what happens every day to millions of animals across the planet. And guess what? Animals do cruel things to one another in nature, ever seen an episode of Animal Planet or National Geographic? Get it together. Read the whole thread in its entirety and respond once you can add something relative to the debate.