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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
 Originally Posted by bads15
don't forget killerbee
you wouldnt get a killer bee. Killers are super pastel spiders and there is only one pastel gene available with this combo.
from my genetic calculator\\Male = Lesser, Spider
Female = Bumblebee
Offspring predicted as:
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6.25% Normal
6.25% Lesser
12.50% Spider
12.50% Lesser, Spider
6.25% Pastel
6.25% Pastel, Lesser
12.50% Bumblebee
12.50% Queenbee
6.25% Homozygous Spider
6.25% Lesser, Homozygous Spider
6.25% Pastel, Homozygous Spider
6.25% Pastel, Lesser, Homozygous Spider
no killers
 1.0 50% het clown 1.0 50% het lavender 2.6 normal bp 1.0 normal poss axanthic 1.0 het pied bp 1.0 yellow belly 1.0 mojave bp 2.0 spider bp 2.1 pastel bp1.1 Cinnamon bp
7.0 corns - normal motley stripe het snow,anery a het hypo, snow, red candy cane, motley stripe orange candy cane, anery motley possible ghost , butter motley 0.6 corns -amel,high white amel,creamsicle,ghost, snow, orange candy cane 1.0 albino jungle corn, 1.0 mexican black king, 1.0 california king, 1.0 milk snake 0.1 kenyan sand boa 0.1 dummerils boa 1.1 bci normal, 0.1 pastel bci,0.1 kahl albino bci,1.0 salmon het kahl albino bci, 0.1 guatamalan boa 0.1 hogg island boa 1.0 JCP 0.1 woma python 3.0 leos-normal,blizzard,rw albino,rw b blizzard 0.7 leos-normal,hypo tangerine,mack snow,albino, rwb blizzard,raptor, rw albino 0.1 C. Turneri (thick toed gecko)1.1 crested gecko0.1rose hair T. 0.0.1 black emporer scorpion
1.0 beardie 
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
I thought some guy had a super spider male that he has bred off a few dozen times ith all offspring being bees...
Ball Pythons 1.1 Lesser, Pastel
1.0 Lesser Pastel, 0.0.7 mixed babies
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Hi,
Originally Posted by Oxylepy
I thought some guy had a super spider male that he has bred off a few dozen times ith all offspring being bees...
Not that I remember reading about off hand (not that this means anything you understand  ).
Could you be thinking about Brian from BHB having a possibly homozygous pinstripe?
dr del
Derek
7 adult Royals (2.5), 1.0 COS Pastel, 1.0 Enchi, 1.1 Lesser platty Royal python, 1.1 Black pastel Royal python, 0.1 Blue eyed leucistic ( Super lesser), 0.1 Piebald Royal python, 1.0 Sinaloan milk snake 1.0 crested gecko and 1 bad case of ETS. no wife, no surprise.
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Originally Posted by pfan151
I see this written quite often, but has ANYONE ever proven this to be the case? If so could you please post a name? I would really like to hear more about this topic.
its not the fact than anyone proved it, its the fact that spiders have been around for 10 years now, and still not 1 homozygous spider
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
you wouldnt get a killer bee. Killers are super pastel spiders and there is only one pastel gene available with this combo.
your right. i forgot that there was no pastel in lesser bee. ha,ha. my bad.
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Since a Spider is dominant, I think that homozygous Spider is just your regular Spider. I forgot where I read that there were Super Spiders, but they didn't survive in the egg?? Sometime in the future I'm going to do Spider x Spider and see what happens (I think I'll just get 75% Spiders and 25% normals).
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany
Since a Spider is dominant, I think that homozygous Spider is just your regular Spider. I forgot where I read that there were Super Spiders, but they didn't survive in the egg?? Sometime in the future I'm going to do Spider x Spider and see what happens (I think I'll just get 75% Spiders and 25% normals).
A spider to spider would result in no normals.
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Hi,
Originally Posted by joepythons
A spider to spider would result in no normals.
Not sure I'm following you here?
I agree that a homozygous spider to ... well, frankly, anything... would result in no normals.
But with nobody so far having owned up to having a homozygous spider most people reading spider to spider in a breeding question would give the same answer Tif did by assuming both spiders were only heterozygous.
Where it gets intresting is that, if homozygous spiders do die before hatching, then even those results would be innaccurate and the real ratio of hatchlings from fertile eggs would be;
66.6% spider (heterozygous )
33.3% normal wild type
And to be honest I think finding those ratios in a statistically large sample and using ultrasound to compare number of unfertilized follicles and comparing it to the number of fertile eggs laid will be the only way we ever find out if homozygous spider is lethal or not.
I just wish I owned some to be able to try it for myself. 
dr del
Last edited by dr del; 10-24-2009 at 11:05 PM.
Reason: Clarified a bit
Derek
7 adult Royals (2.5), 1.0 COS Pastel, 1.0 Enchi, 1.1 Lesser platty Royal python, 1.1 Black pastel Royal python, 0.1 Blue eyed leucistic ( Super lesser), 0.1 Piebald Royal python, 1.0 Sinaloan milk snake 1.0 crested gecko and 1 bad case of ETS. no wife, no surprise.
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Originally Posted by dr del
Hi,
Not sure I'm following you here?
I agree that a homozygous spider to ... well, frankly, anything... would result in no normals.
But with nobody so far having owned up to having a homozygous spider most people reading spider to spider in a breeding question would give the same answer Tif did by assuming both spiders were only heterozygous.
Where it gets intresting is that, if homozygous spiders do die before hatching, then even those results would be innaccurate and the real ratio of hatchlings from fertile eggs would be;
66.6% spider (heterozygous )
33.3% normal wild type
And to be honest I think finding those ratios in a statistically large sample and using ultrasound to compare number of unfertilized follicles and comparing it to the number of fertile eggs laid will be the only way we ever find out if homozygous spider is lethal or not.
I just wish I owned some to be able to try it for myself.
dr del
To me a normal is a plain old normal like those sold in pet stores 
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Re: lesserbee X bumblebee?
Has anyone on here ever personally tried the spider x spider project?
Last edited by marct; 10-25-2009 at 01:10 AM.
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