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    Re: is this a lock?

    sorry- guys- i was away from this site for a couple days. the female- is one of the two biggest bps i own actually- maybe the picture makes her look small? as of today she is 1420 and proven breeder so (imo) shes all good.
    again- sorry for the delayed response. j

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    Re: is this a lock?

    Just because she is a proven breeder does not mean that she is ready.

    She may very well be, but in the pictures she looks far too small.

    Say a 1600g female is bred and lays 6 eggs, each weighing 100g...
    That brings the female down to 1000g + all the weight she has lost during the breeding season which would equate to... possibly 900g.

    Now if that female started eating and by the time cooling happens again is up to 1420g, would that (in your opinion) make her "all good"?

    She would be too small.

    -Steven

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    Re: is this a lock?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenkeogh View Post
    Just because she is a proven breeder does not mean that she is ready.

    She may very well be, but in the pictures she looks far too small.

    Say a 1600g female is bred and lays 6 eggs, each weighing 100g...
    That brings the female down to 1000g + all the weight she has lost during the breeding season which would equate to... possibly 900g.

    Now if that female started eating and by the time cooling happens again is up to 1420g, would that (in your opinion) make her "all good"?

    She would be too small.

    -Steven
    What you say doesnt quite make sense... If a 1600 gram snake is bread she will gain alot more weight lets say 600 grams and use your numbers... thats 2200 pre egg lay. give she will lose some weight from off feed but she shouldn't lose to much so let say she will be 1200 grams post eggs. thats fine... Some of the more reputable breeders sometime breed females at 1400 grams... and I know for a fact by the time she lays and is ready to breed again she can gain more than 420 grams as you say.(If taken care of properly) Those are baby numbers come on.. Not trying to start anything.

    But yes they do look small but dont judge a book by its cover people. Stop jumping down peoples throat. Its a turn off to newcomers. Be polite and mature about criticism. Stop acting like kids. Just my two cents.

    Keep it up man and dont let the haters bring you down.



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    Re: is this a lock?

    Quote Originally Posted by cornball252 View Post
    What you say doesnt quite make sense... If a 1600 gram snake is bread she will gain alot more weight lets say 600 grams and use your numbers... thats 2200 pre egg lay. give she will lose some weight from off feed but she shouldn't lose to much so let say she will be 1200 grams post eggs. thats fine... Some of the more reputable breeders sometime breed females at 1400 grams... and I know for a fact by the time she lays and is ready to breed again she can gain more than 420 grams as you say.(If taken care of properly) Those are baby numbers come on.. Not trying to start anything.



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    Sorry to single you out Steven! dont all of take this directed towards you! just in general.
    Don't worry about singling me out, I am a big boy, I can handle it.

    I must point out the fault in your logic.

    Snakes are not mammals, they do not eat everyday and many females will stop eating altogether once breeding starts.
    Once she ovulates she will definitely not gain any weight as she will definitely not eat.

    The 600g in egg does not gain out of no where. It all comes from the snake.

    A snake does not magically gain weight. No food in, no additional weight, just decrease in overall mass.

    So this 600g is only a decrease in the weight of the female, not gain as you claim.

    The weights I was offering were only theoretical and I could make them more "Breeder realistic" but I don't think we are talking about an experienced breeder.

    Unless the albino female only weighed 1200g last time she was cycled then she is too small to be responsibly bred again.

    This is advice only since these are not my snakes. The OP will learn with time as we all do.

    -Steven

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    Re: is this a lock?

    well if shes a proven breeder before i think she will go again and it would be ok. with smaller females in my opinion a female thats lets say a 2006 but only 1200g should lay this year with no problems. although its not hardly discussed on here i know breeders that breed at 1000g if there old enough but they dont get big clutches.
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    Re: is this a lock?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenkeogh View Post
    Don't worry about singling me out, I am a big boy, I can handle it.

    I must point out the fault in your logic.

    Snakes are not mammals, they do not eat everyday and many females will stop eating altogether once breeding starts.
    Once she ovulates she will definitely not gain any weight as she will definitely not eat.

    The 600g in egg does not gain out of no where. It all comes from the snake.

    A snake does not magically gain weight. No food in, no additional weight, just decrease in overall mass.

    So this 600g is only a decrease in the weight of the female, not gain as you claim.

    The weights I was offering were only theoretical and I could make them more "Breeder realistic" but I don't think we are talking about an experienced breeder.

    Unless the albino female only weighed 1200g last time she was cycled then she is too small to be responsibly bred again.

    This is advice only since these are not my snakes. The OP will learn with time as we all do.

    -Steven

    Ahh I see your point. Although my females still eat while breeding they kinda of eat more than normal.

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    Re: is this a lock?

    thank you for everyones advice!
    and cornball- thanks for the kind words. i definitely have less experience then some of the people on here- i do have 12 thriving snakes along with my wonderful dogs and caring for my animals is a full time job for me- one that i enjoy! i strive to give my animals the best conditions possible and put a ton of effort into it- including charting every poop, shed, behavior, feed, ect. i really do try! haha. sometimes i have a question and its late at night so i dont want to bother my breeder friends- so i come here. i have met some AWESOME, kind, and generous with their knowledge people on this forum- i love that! sometimes, however, i find myself worried about even ask a question , as i fear sarcasm, negativity, ect. im open to constructive criticism- i want to be the best owner possible!- but i wish it came across in a more encouraging way sometimes. depending on how we communicate with one another- a wide range of feelings/reaction will result. and obv with positive communication, a better, well educated, well rounded community will result.
    thank you so much for encouraging me- working with my snakes has taken me on an awesome and super fulfilling journey and ive loved meeting all the nice contributing members of this community-- it always makes my day!
    sincerely, jacqueline

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