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    Why Kingsnake.com is NOT the problem

    Why are Ball Python prices constantly crashing? Why can't the prices stabilize or even go up like most other pets? Popular breeds of dogs for instance. Their prices are going UP!!! Why doesn't this happen with Ball Pythons?

    I have come to the conclusion that it's not kingsnake.com at all. It's the nature of the beast.

    Here it is from beginning to end.

    The Breeder that creates a new morph if planned right sells the first of their offspring at top dollar (super inflated price) to the big dogs. $25k for the XXX morph. Once the top dogs have them and have had time to create their own babies from breeding projects with the XXX ball, the price quickly drops each year but then stabilizes to what should be the normal retail price of $500 - $1000 dependent on quality of the morph.

    Why should $500-$1000 be the normal retail price? Because it is the bottom point where the breeder is making enough money for their time and expenses to be worth it. Anything less then this amount and it would not be worth it to the breeder. Most people who really want this XXX ball can save and in time will be able to afford and be willing to spend the $500 - $1000 for it. There is PLENTY of demand to keep the prices between $500 - $1000 indefinitely.

    This is when the consumers screw everything up. IMHO, there are 2 kinds of people that own snakes.

    Type A: These are snake nerds who for the most part are intelligent, nerdy, successful people who are fascinated with snakes for whatever reason. Generally speaking they take good care of their animals, and make good decisions in life because they have good intentions, and are willing to do what it takes. Some of these people keep snakes just as pets, and others choose to breed either to make a few bucks or to try and make a particular morph that they want. Some of them are even able to make a good living out of breeding snakes.

    Type B: The other kind of person is IMHO the majority. These are the rebellious under achievers who pretty much get into snakes because they are considered taboo, or not accepted by the main stream. They CRAVE attention. While their intentions may be good to start they almost always in the long run hold their own "cool points" at a much higher regard then the snakes health and future. Once the novelty or attention wares off, the snake is screwed.

    There are so many Type B people that get a snake on a whim, then a week later because they are broke and generally unsuccessful in life, come up with the grand idea of breeding snakes to make a quick fortune. They are too lazy and / or stupid to do the math or the research necessary to figure out what all is entailed, and they just jump into it head first. They do this by spending every dime they have at the moment on one or two below average XXX ball pythons.

    If the snakes are lucky and don't die, they are often able to successfully produce below average / pathedic XXX babies. Of course when the babies come they don't have the proper housing. The keeper can not afford to feed themselves (because their parents just kicked them out) let alone hungry baby snakes. They certainly don't have the money needed to fix any of the problems, or the will to make the money to fix the problems. Investing in advertising? Please!

    The cool idea has now turned into a major headache. They are tired of the hassles of getting rats and the tanks haven't been cleaned in weeks. The friends have already seen the snakes, and are just no longer interested. Just as they started, they decide on the spur of the moment without any real though to SELL SELL SELL for rent, groceries, beer money, or whatever. So they use tools LIKE KINGSNAKE to dump their animals as quickly as possible.

    Unfortunately you have lots of Type A people who see these under priced adds, and do the traditional nerdy thing and give into the lower pricing pressure that the Type B people are applying, and drop their prices too. Nerds don't usually make the best salesmen either.... Sure their morphs are excellent examples of the morph compared to type B, but usually they don't have the confidence or the skill set to stand up to people and hold out for a just price. Granted, some snake nerds can and do sell.... In fact they are some of the biggest names out there right now. But most can't.

    Then you have another clutch born by another Type B person (don't forget, they are the majority) and the prices drop even lower.

    This repeats itself many times over just a year or two. The XXX ball is now averaging around $250 - $350 dependent on quality.

    The big breeders at this point even though they know what their animals are worth have to make some tough decisions. Their snakes are of superior quality, and they do have some customers that are still buying a little, but their babies start piling up. They have already made their money back, maybe even turned a profit. Sooner or later they have no choice but to openly drop their prices, or do secret deals for way below retail just to get rid of them. After all they have to make room for the new AAA morph they just acquired.

    Bam! the market is permanently ruined for the XXX ball. Prices drop to $150 to $200 regardless of quality.

    Now how can you say it is kingsnakes fault? Yes they are a tool used often times in a BAD way, but they certainly are NOT the basis of the problem.
    Last edited by Mike Cavanaugh; 10-15-2009 at 01:24 AM.
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