Spider x mojave? - and other ? about squares...

[I<3Dreamsicles]

No it's wrong. You see, a Bumblebee to a Pastel will result in Killerbee, Bumblebee, SuperPastel, Pastel, Spider and Normal.
That's why you can't use only 1 letter to represent a gene, but both.

PnSn x Pnnn

        PS	Pn	nS	nn
Pn	PPSn	PPnn	PnSn	Pnnn
Pn	PPSn	PPnn	PnSn	Pnnn
nn	PnSn	Pnnn	nnSn	nnnn
nn	PnSn	Pnnn	nnSn	nnnn


Genotype Frequencies: 
PPSn:    2 ( 12.5% ) Killerbee (Super Pastel Spider)
PPnn:    2 ( 12.5% ) Super Pastel
PnSn:    4 ( 25% ) Bumblebee (Pastel Spider)
Pnnn:    4 ( 25% ) Pastel
nnSn:    2 ( 12.5% ) Spider
nnnn:    2 ( 12.5% ) Normal

or in your Caps Code

PpSs x Ppss

PS	Ps	pS	ps
Ps	PPSs	PPss	PpSs	Ppss
Ps	PPSs	PPss	PpSs	Ppss
ps	PpSs	Ppss	ppSs	ppss
ps	PpSs	Ppss	ppSs	ppss


Genotype Frequencies: 
PPSs:    2 ( 12.5% )
PPss:    2 ( 12.5% )
PpSs:    4 ( 25% )
Ppss:    4 ( 25% )
ppSs:    2 ( 12.5% )
ppss:    2 ( 12.5% )

Bumblebee x pastel...
see thats where I knew I was doing something wrong.... So there is reason for the longer ones... arrrrr. I sort of get that though. Since you have to have all four on the top you have to have 4 on the sides...

So if you did something like a lemon blast x pastel it would be the same?
instead of the S being spider for the bumblebee, just make it for "stripe" for pin stripe, to save from re writing the whole thing. Wouldnt it work exactly the same, since its a mix of two genes in one.
A chance of super blasts instead of killer bee, and lemon blasts instead of bumblebees.

I just never got why it would be four across. Since its sposto be like only two genes? or so I thought.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

^ about the two gene things i mean, i thuoght they could only give one gene form each parent. Like a pastel gene from the male and a pastel from the female for super pastel. But now its like you can do a bumblebee GENE and a pastel gene together. I didnt think they could do like give a double gene... if that makes sence?

[Watever]

So if you did something like a lemon blast x pastel it would be the same?
instead of the S being spider for the bumblebee, just make it for "stripe" for pin stripe, to save from re writing the whole thing. Wouldnt it work exactly the same, since its a mix of two genes in one.
A chance of super blasts instead of killer bee, and lemon blasts instead of bumblebees.

You are right ! You can change the S for a P (pinstripe) and you would get the same result. Since you are crossing a co-dom combo (pastel + something) with a base morph (pastel).

^ about the two gene things i mean, i thuoght they could only give one gene form each parent. Like a pastel gene from the male and a pastel from the female for super pastel. But now its like you can do a bumblebee GENE and a pastel gene together. I didnt think they could do like give a double gene... if that makes sence?

I am not sure I understand what you are saying about the bumblebee gene and pastel gene together ??

I think you are mixing the "gene" and the "allele" together.

From : http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html

Gene - unit of heredity that determines the characteristics of the offspring.

Genotype – an organism’s genetic composition. Heredity - the transmission of genetic characters from parents to offspring.

Locus - a gene's position on a chromosome (plural: loci)

Allele - either of the two paired genes which affect an inheritable trait.

Codominant - a gene that causes the homozygous form to look different than the wild-type and the heterozygous form to have traits of both.

Dominant - a gene that causes an animal to look different than the wild-type and where the homozygous form and the heterozygous form look the same as each other.

Het – an abbreviation for heterozygous.

Heterozygous – possessing two different genes for a given trait. An animal with one mutated, recessive gene still appears normal; its mutated gene can be inherited by future offspring. A codominant animal is heterozygous for the dominant form of its mutated gene, yet is different in appearance than both the wild-type and homozygous forms.

Homozygous – A state in which both genes for a specific trait are the same. When a recessive gene is it its homozygous form, it makes the animal look different from the wild-type. When a dominant gene is in its homozygous state, it causes the animal to look different from both the wild-type and the heterozygous (codominant) forms.

I think you should read the entire definitions if you haven't yet.
and the part on "punnet square" and with co-dom and dominant
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_codom.html


What is actually a pastel ball python ? It's a ball python made a multiple gene know as normal where on one pair of chromosome (locus) it's have one pastel gene. That mean, on that particular locus, one allele is Pastel and the other one is Normal. Same thing goes for a spider or pinstripe but the genes are on a different locus.

What is a super pastel ? It's a snake with multiple gene that on one locus, it's have 2 alleles of the Pastel gene. Meaning one is pastel, and the other one is pastel, there is no normal gene on that locus.

Super pastel should be seen as Albino and Pastel as het Albino.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

You are right ! You can change the S for a P (pinstripe) and you would get the same result. Since you are crossing a co-dom combo (pastel + something) with a base morph (pastel).



I am not sure I understand what you are saying about the bumblebee gene and pastel gene together ??

I think you are mixing the "gene" and the "allele" together.

From : http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html

Gene - unit of heredity that determines the characteristics of the offspring.

Genotype – an organism’s genetic composition. Heredity - the transmission of genetic characters from parents to offspring.

Locus - a gene's position on a chromosome (plural: loci)

Allele - either of the two paired genes which affect an inheritable trait.

Codominant - a gene that causes the homozygous form to look different than the wild-type and the heterozygous form to have traits of both.

Dominant - a gene that causes an animal to look different than the wild-type and where the homozygous form and the heterozygous form look the same as each other.

Het – an abbreviation for heterozygous.

Heterozygous – possessing two different genes for a given trait. An animal with one mutated, recessive gene still appears normal; its mutated gene can be inherited by future offspring. A codominant animal is heterozygous for the dominant form of its mutated gene, yet is different in appearance than both the wild-type and homozygous forms.

Homozygous – A state in which both genes for a specific trait are the same. When a recessive gene is it its homozygous form, it makes the animal look different from the wild-type. When a dominant gene is in its homozygous state, it causes the animal to look different from both the wild-type and the heterozygous (codominant) forms.

I think you should read the entire definitions if you haven't yet.
and the part on "punnet square" and with co-dom and dominant
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_codom.html


What is actually a pastel ball python ? It's a ball python made a multiple gene know as normal where on one pair of chromosome (locus) it's have one pastel gene. That mean, on that particular locus, one allele is Pastel and the other one is Normal. Same thing goes for a spider or pinstripe but the genes are on a different locus.

What is a super pastel ? It's a snake with multiple gene that on one locus, it's have 2 alleles of the Pastel gene. Meaning one is pastel, and the other one is pastel, there is no normal gene on that locus.

Super pastel should be seen as Albino and Pastel as het Albino.

I know most of that stuff i was just saying like... For the square its like PSnn for the bumblebee trait, and like when you have that with the Pn of a pastel

For PSn for bumblebee that x the pastel gene from the pastel is PPSn. I didnt/dont get why its giving the P and the S from the bumblebee. Like the one parent gives both. Or is that effecting the allele then? Since, like it can give pastel and spider at once. But idk how it still can give the n also,


If you get that much, I was trying to do a bumblebee x normal square and was getting confused with the n's again. And how the bee can give the S and P at the same time... Like the bee gives a PSn right? . The normal gives a n so it would be PSnn, which is a bumblebee but that cant happen with bee x normal???

[Watever]

Well I think you are nearly there

The Bumblebee is 2 gene, so Pastel and Spider. Since when breeding it need to past 1 allele at each loci, yes a bumblebee can past both pastel and the spider gene at the same time. But it can also pass the normal gene that is at the same loci as the pastel or the spider gene.

That's why the first row read as this : PS Pn nS nn
These 4, are all the possibilities of the genes it can pass when breeding.

I think you understand it now

[I<3Dreamsicles]

Well I think you are nearly there

The Bumblebee is 2 gene, so Pastel and Spider. Since when breeding it need to past 1 allele at each loci, yes a bumblebee can past both pastel and the spider gene at the same time. But it can also pass the normal gene that is at the same loci as the pastel or the spider gene.

That's why the first row read as this : PS Pn nS nn
These 4, are all the possibilities of the genes it can pass when breeding.

I think you understand it now

I know the bumblebee is the mix but... so it can pass a spider and a pastel gene???

PS and n from a normal would be a bee?

[bobbittle]

I know the bumblebee is the mix but... so it can pass a spider and a pastel gene???

PS and n from a normal would be a bee?

Yes it can pass both the pastel and spider gene, just the spider gene, just the pastel gene, or neither of them; onto its offspring.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

Yes it can pass both the pastel and spider gene, just the spider gene, just the pastel gene, or neither of them; onto its offspring.

How????

If the square looks like this for bee x pastel

PS Pn nS nn
Pn PPSn PPnn PnSn Pnnn
Pn PPSn PPnn PnSn Pnnn
nn PnSn Pnnn nnSn nnnn
nn PnSn Pnnn nnSn nnnn


For a normal all the Pn Pn nn nn would just be all nn. Therefor the first column actually in the square would be PSnn???
Theres two caps letters would mean it has pastel and spider traits. ??? This is why im confused.

[nevohraalnavnoj]

How????

If the square looks like this for bee x pastel

PS Pn nS nn
Pn PPSn PPnn PnSn Pnnn
Pn PPSn PPnn PnSn Pnnn
nn PnSn Pnnn nnSn nnnn
nn PnSn Pnnn nnSn nnnn


For a normal all the Pn Pn nn nn would just be all nn. Therefor the first column actually in the square would be PSnn???
Theres two caps letters would mean it has pastel and spider traits. ??? This is why im confused.

The first column would be PnSn meaning Pastel and normal gene at the same locus as pastel, combined with Spider gene and normal gene at the same locus as spider. Thugh both these "n" 's are the same, they actually correspond to two different genes...but both being normal at the same locus. This nomenclature is a bit confusing, IMO.

JonV

[I<3Dreamsicles]

The first column would be PnSn meaning Pastel and normal gene at the same locus as pastel, combined with Spider gene and normal gene at the same locus as spider. Thugh both these "n" 's are the same, they actually correspond to two different genes...but both being normal at the same locus. This nomenclature is a bit confusing, IMO.

JonV

I have no idea what you said means. lol.
on the first row its top row starts with PS, then the left column is Pn? So can the PS only give a P to the P or n of the pastel, or an S to the P of pastel or S to the n of pastel

and idk why its Pn Pn nn nn. shouldnt it be P n for all of them. Or.... do you just add the n to all of them, to complete the chart. because it can either give pastel or normal... but this way it can give more normals then pastel genes.